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Mahwah May Look To Add Neighborhood 'Mini Parks'

Where would you like to see new parks in town?

 

Bergen County’s Parkland might get a few more green spaces added to its roster.

As part of its ongoing reworking of the township’s Master Plan, the Planning Board last week discussed including a recommendation for more “neighborhood mini parks” in the township. The recommended parks would be smaller facilities that service a fewer number of residents  – like Riverside Park, which caters to a neighborhood in West Mahwah, or the Airmount Rd. Park, which is used by residents in that area of the township.

According to an analysis by Burgis Associates Planner Brigitte Bogart, who has been working on the latest iteration of the plan for the township’s future, most of Mahwah’s parkland, like Ramapo Reservation or Darlington County Park, serves “a much larger group than just a neighborhood. Many of [Mahwah’s] parks serve the whole county.” These parks would be designed and built for smaller sections of the community.

Bogart said she put together a preliminary map indicating neighborhoods that would be eligible for a new mini park based on national standards.  “I indicated sites that were underserved when compared with national neighborhood recreation standards,” Bogart said. “There are a lot of places where parks could be added.”

The map is not very detailed, and does not point out particular parcels of land that would be viable mini park locations. Nor does the Master Plan suggest how the township would acquire new parkland or finance any future neighborhood park project.

The Master Plan, which is in the middle of being entirely rewritten for the first time since 1989, just lays out an ideal future for the township, and makes generalized recommendations for future developments. According to board members, if any of the suggestions in the document were to become realities, more research and planning would be needed.

In order to add any municipal parks, action would need to be taken by the town council. Planning Board Attorney Peter Scandariato pointed out last week that the recommendations made in the Master Plan have no legal weight, unless the town council takes the suggestions put forth in the document and crafts new laws that are in line with them.

For now, the board decided no more specific details or further research on the mini parks was necessary. If and when the council decides to pursue the suggestion, the board said, more work would be needed to determine where the parks would be located, and how the town would build them.

  • Where would you like to see a new mini park?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Fardale section
        35 (19%)
    • Masonicus section
        21 (11%)
    • West Mahwah
        28 (15%)
    • Cragmere section
        32 (18%)
    • Other (Tell us where in the comments)
        6 (3%)
    • I don't think we need any more parks in Mahwah
        55 (31%)
    Total votes: 177
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Mahwah Master Plan and Mahwah Parks

James Norberto

7:27 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Um, can't we just leave some areas completely untouched?!?! Hate to sound like an illogical Scrooge, but don't our kids have enough parks? And not only here in Mahwah but in our surrounding towns too. Plus, our kids can expand their circle of friends to beyond our borders like we did as kids.

I vote we save the tax dollars for something a tad more important... Like a stellar educational experience which will mean much more down the road than mini parks being ignored as our kids (and me too) are playing with the latest and greatest gizmo.

This will be interesting to follow.

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Speedpro Imaging Inc

7:53 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I would rather have more mini parks vs more houses/condos. When the real estate market turns around again like it was several years ago, the town allowed the expansion at a feaverish rate and they were squeezing hugh houses on small pieces of property. More mini parks would help the community.

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S. B.

9:07 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I think Mahwah has more parks than the town I had growing up in did. Between the parks and the school playgrounds that residents freely use after school hours, I think we have plenty of playground equipment. Instead, I think it is important as a town to not let these existing play area/parks fall into disrepair. I was just at the playground at Winter's Park, and although some of the equipment has been repaired (there were some serious dangers there last year) now the fence is falling apart including the gate. Also the benches are all splintering and need to be sanded and repainted. Plus the safety mulch there seems dangerously low and broken down.
I think I would rather see some money put into the recreation/snack bar of the Town Pool. I keep reading articles about how membership is down but nothing is really done to the facilities to attract people to join the pool. Also, it would be nice to have undeveloped patches to wander in the township. Maybe a small wildflower meadow, small nature trails. Why does every patch of land have to be built on or developed as a park or ball field? Let Mahwah's Parkland just be.

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Andy Schmidt

9:55 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

There is a chance that the town you grew up in may not have been as developed as it is today. In other words there may have been parcles of land where neighborhood kids could still walk to and play (as I remember of my own childhood).

I think in today's times it is necessary for towns to make a commitment to actively preserve any patches of land in the neighborhoods so that no everything requires a car-ride. I don't mind if it's called a "park" if that helps with funding.

Stacey

9:11 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I am a HUGE fan of this. I live in the Ridge Gardens complex off of Ridge Road. I have a toddler and we don't have a playground. There is nowhere close by that I can take her for no charge. Darlington is the closest and it will be very crowded come the summer.

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JP

10:14 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Lake Henry is your best bet if you are going all the way to Darlington. There's a very large playground, two fields, and a skateboard park there. All free. There's even a cafe to eat there.

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Andy Schmidt

10:34 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Stacey - for a toddler, and based on where you live, definitely also check out Finch Park in Ramsey. It has VERY nice equipment, a sand box - and most importantly there are always tons of kids of that age range to make new playground friends every time.
My daughter spent what seemed like entire days there - even when there was still the old wooden "adventure" play-ground there and years later it's still one of her favorite parks.

Carter Morris, Sr.

9:44 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Last decade, the mayor promised the Homeowners Associations at Ridge Gardens, Society Hills Villages I and II and Darlington Ridge, that the property the town bought on Ridge Road would be used for a park for the children and adults and seniors on the upper portion along Ridge Road. Forums were held with the Boards of the Condos and the idea was enthusiastically supported.
Here we are years later, no park, and absolutely NO plans for one. The children in the Homeowners Association play in the streets, no b-ball courts, no place for skateboarding, no walking trails, etc.

It's high time that the Town consider honoring their promise for what the parcel of land was purchased by the Town for in the first place.

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Andy Schmidt

9:57 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

My other pet peeve is the lack of foresight with street construction/improvement projects. Now that the town is fully developed, it's time to turn it from "rural" (where you needed your car to drive a mile to get to the next neighborhood) to "residential", (where at least ONE side of every street has a sidewalk, typically the other side then has utility poles). I see kids walking to their school bus stops for a block or two or even waiting for their school bus ON busy street corners because we allowed houses to be built everywhere but didn't plan on how to WALK from house to house!

And we're not even FIXING it. Every time I see streets being improved and new curs added, the results are lanes wide enough to allow 3+ cars to fit side by side easily (and we wonder why cars are able to speed!, instead of taking 4 feet, turning it into a sidewalk and with that slow down the traffic.

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JP

10:10 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I agree, and we should widen Onley road and get it open once and for all. Alcott needs widening also at the Miller Road side.

Lower Taxes

10:00 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

We have enough parks already. These cost tax money to maintain. We need more large trees all around town to get back to the country atmosphere that was here when I moved to Mawah over 25 years ago. We just allow mature trees to die, and don't replace them. It is also known that tree sprouts are being eaten by the deer, and not allowed to mature and replace our forests. Therefore, we need to do more to replace the treescape that we once had.

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Mahwah Resident

10:18 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Yes Richard I agree with you. Mahwah needs more trees planted. Do you see the McMansions built on Airmount Road? Do you know how many trees were cut. It is disgusting!!!

JP

10:07 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I'm thinking money can be used to a much better purpose for the existing parkland areas. We have two bridges out at Lake Henry (one completely gone) and I would love to see some improvements at Ramapo Reservation in terms of pathway renewal and installation. Lake Henry is impossible to walk around now. Let's take care of the large forested areas we have now first.

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Andy Schmidt

10:18 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

I think both is necessary. As residents we need to commit to fund the upkeep of our existing parks and facilities, as you say - PLUS also set money aside so that from time to time we can secure patches of land here or there that won't require a car trip to the Ramapo mountains, but where neighborhood kids can walk, bike or scooter to (on sidewalks) or whether parents can push their stroller to (and not do that ON the the street).

JP

10:16 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

What ever happened to kids playing in their own backyards also?

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Suzy

11:19 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

After living in Arizona for a few years, I was spoiled by the greenbelts and playgrounds each neighborhood had. Since these were all new communities it was easy to incorporate 'play areas', I just don't know how it would work here. It would be sad to see the woods cut down to have play areas put in though. There are no "woods" in the desert area of AZ. Growing up in Mahwah we spent more time playing in the woods than on a playground. Also, who would cover the costs? In AZ we had homeowner associations and our payments to them would cover maintaining the greenbelt/playground areas.

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Andy Schmidt

11:27 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Same in NJ. If you purchase a property in a condominium or townhouse or similar community - some gated - then your homeowners association can decide to preserve certain areas as greenbelts or install and maintain playgrounds, pools, tennis courts, etc.

Or, you can choose to purchase a free-standing home - in which case your "homeowners fees" are called "property taxes" <G>. Unfortunately, it's popular among some people to decry propery taxes as the ultimate evil - instead of recognizing what you do: that they allow the totality of residents of a community to pool a portion of their income to build, maintain and sustain facilities and services that add to the value of each home but that each person individually would be unable to afford.

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Mahwah Resident

9:46 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Suzy, you said it very well. thank you

JP

10:28 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

If you reconfigure for other things or put a playground in the park at the intersection of Airmount Rd and Airmont Ave it would probably be used more often by the locals there. As far as I'm concerned, that local park is severely underutilized except when there is something going on at the two fields, other then those occasions, every time I pass it, no one is there. Granted it's a little hard for kids to get there unless they are driven because of the two very busy roads and no sidewalks, and that should be a major concern for more local parks like this (as someone above mentioned), if you don't build them where kids can walk or bike to them what good are they? Mahwah neighborhoods are not really walking friendly in most parts. I'd imagine any park started from scratch would be upwards of a half million dollars at least. Just modifying the town square (Veterans Park) was more than a couple hundred thousand dollars for what was done, and I think were talking about local parks with a little more substance right? If not, why bother?

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delgado

10:56 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

More money parks, is like it..... didnt these Bergen Republicans call for cut, cut, cut, cut,,,, so cut the parks funding, EMS funding and dissolve the Mahwah Police into the County Police,,,,, isnt that what the crew wanted????? When is the Mayor going to cut our taxes??? Hes a businessman..

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Mari Meli

11:37 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Personally, I have been hoping that the "water tower property" on mahwah road was left as is after the tower was dismantled. The entire neighborhood feels that the property is an asset to the neighborhood just as it is. We dont need swings or slides on it. But we would like to keep it as open space here. We love to visit and ride our bikes there and explore and pick raspberries and blackberries and mulberries. I think this space is a prime candidate for a "small park" but no need to build it - just leave as is for us to enjoy as we have been for many years. There was the threat some time ago of it being sold to developers who would put a few houses on the property, but everyone in the neighborhood agrees that it would be best put to use leaving it just as it is! We are prepared to fight any development if that issue arises again. I think we all agree that what we really want, is to preserve these open spaces. but we dont necessarily have to turn them into parks with equipment. we love them just the way they are!

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Mark Herrmann

9:27 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012

It seems that most people think a park has to include playground equipment. That is not the case. You can have "passive recreation" areas for people of all ages to enjoy - a place for kids to run around in or for adults to read a book, take a walk, and just enjoy the outdoors. I would love to see an area that allows dogs as well. There is no park in town where dogs are welcome. Perhaps an actual dog park would be an option. Creating or preserving open spaces is always a good thing.

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Andy Schmidt

9:35 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012

If you drive on 202 a bit past Continental Soldiers Park and the NJNYTC School House you'll see the Ramapo Reservation County Park (situated within Mahwah). It is very popular with dog owners - some just walk a bit around the lake (easy walk, very level), others turn it into a little hike up to the McMillan Reservoir - where many dogs have "play-dates" and even enjoy fetching their tennis balls or sticks from the lake.

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Mark Herrmann

12:29 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012

Any, I am well aware of the Reservation, however it not for solely for Mahwah residents, plusit can quite crowded at times, especially on weekends. A town dog park would be a nice alternative.

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Andy Schmidt

6:02 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Hi Mark, I would expect any small town dog park to be even more crowded.

If you're looking for a bit more solitude, then the county park actually is still a good bet. But, instead of walking from the lake up the hill to the reservoir and back (which is where 99% go), turn right once you get to the foot of the mountain and after a short walk take the "green" trail up the mountain. Once you get past Hawk Temple and walk down to Havemeyer Hollow, you'll like have the trail mostly to yourself. Later you could bear left to complete a nice loop back to the parking lot.

I was there on Sunday early afternoon (basically "peak" time) and once I got away from the lake, I did not encounter another soul for 4 out of the 6 hours (while hiking to Pierson's Ridge in Ringwood State Park and then back).

Harriman also has many trails that allow to get away from the crowds. You just have to avoid the "visitor center" on Seven Lake Drive, and know which trail head to park at and use instead.

I'll be happy to share, if this is along your line of interest.

Carter Morris, Sr.

9:51 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012

Andy Schmidt wrote:
"Same in NJ. If you purchase a property in a condominium or townhouse or similar community - some gated - then your homeowners association can decide to preserve certain areas as greenbelts or install and maintain playgrounds, pools, tennis courts, etc. Or, you can choose to purchase a free-standing home - in which case your "homeowners fees" are called "property taxes" <G>"

Well, Andy, FYI, condo owners not only pay maintenance fees but PROPERTY TAXES, just like single family owners, based on recently done evaluations.

And furthermore, the property in the McBride Industrial park between Ridge Rd and MacArthur Rd, was SPECIFICALLY purchased for a park and/or rec facilities.
Condo owners had absolutely NO say in how the Town allowed the builders to develop a property, thus, none of them have space for a "park" let alone for a B-Ball court etc., nor are zoned for such.
The Town and mayor at the time promised....that was a decade ago. Where's our Park!!!!

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Andy Schmidt

10:00 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012

Dear Carter - I never said anything about the Ridge condos. I know nothing about this matter.
If there is some unresolved commitment, then this sounds like something you and your fellow condo owners should make an issue of during a council meeting?

JP

5:26 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012

All this talk of new parks is essentially moot at the moment since the council has shelved this suggestion (as stated in the last paragraph of this blog), which I agree should be shelved, and they can now move on to more pressing issues which I won't bring up in this thread.

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JP

3:02 am on Friday, April 6, 2012

Read the last paragraph Andy. It's shelved.

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JP

6:55 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012

"For now, the board decided no more specific details or further research on the mini parks was necessary."

You can't get anymore shelved until the future then that Andy. It's shelved whether you want to accept it or not.

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Andy Schmidt

11:04 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

Your quote is accurate - but your reading comprehension is completely lacking. You stated:
"the COUNCIL has shelved this suggestion"

But the quote referred to the BOARD. The words "Board" and "Council" are NOT synomymous (= they don't mean the same thing). In this case it is the most crucial distinction! The PLANNING "board" (which is what's being referred to in that sentence you quote) DID decide that no more action is needed, simply because IT does NOT have the authority to IMPLEMENT plans. It doesn't control the budget, it doesn't decide what gets built, it doesn't set a time-table for township projects. The planning board simply CANNOT take any (more) action.

Which brings up to the second flaw in your reading. The Township COUNCIL did NOT "shelve" it EITHER - because in order to "shelve" it, it first has to even be a in FRONT of the "council" - which is was NOT.

This article was NOT reporting on some council meeting where township parks were on the agenda and the council voted to "shelve" it - in which case your statement would be correct. The article is simply reporting on the planning BOARD having completed its work on this matter.

I understand it is difficult for quick readers to appreciate the importance of precise language - which is why "reading comprehension" is such a big subject in our English languag eduation and on state tests. Because incorrect comprehension leads to misinformed people, invalid opinions and bad decisions - as proven here.

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JP

5:10 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

What I'm trying to imply Andy, and which you do not seem to "get", like some of my statements about other projects going on in this town, is that the state of mini-parks in Mahwah is on the shelf, maybe to come off or maybe to not ever come off. It doesn't matter who shelved it, the board or the council or the mayor, or the citizens, or me or you, it's shelved. Period. You can spin it any way you want it, but no one is getting a mini-park in the near future. Capisce?

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Andy Schmidt

8:42 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

I have no problem if you're "trying to imply" if or when the concept of mini-park may ever be pursued, after it was discussed as part of the master plan rewrite. The future may very well validate your personal opinion!

My objection was only with your attempt to artificially inflate your argument by explicitly claiming something untrue: "the council has shelved this suggestion (as stated in the last paragraph of this blog)". As we both now agree, neither of these two things are facts -- but there's nothing wrong with you simply voicing your own, personal prediction, instead of attributing it to other people.

kgs1

12:34 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012

I used to play sandlot baseball games at the water tower up on mahwah road when I was a kid. I grew up on Miller road and it was a short walk to the water tower.we played there for hours! No swings or development needed. Just leave it as open space to enjoy. I was sad to see the tower go.

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