Friendliness and working together for compromise is not their credo GD. Unfortunately for Republicans, they refuse to form their own national party and continue to destroy the existing one. They were born out of hatred for one man, our president. While their basic tax reform desires might be sound, they want changes that are too deep and too quick for the American public to actually take serious.

No.. This small group is really the "Mahwah Republican Organization" name: Same stuff/People Different name..

Just gotta look at the "membership Roster".. You will see some of YOUR Local Governing Officials Names" on that List!

Approximately 99.9% of those "losers" pay taxes as opposed to the 49% of Americans that don't. Furthermore, they were NOT born out of hatred for one man but out of an on camera rant by Mr. RIck Santelli in February '09 when he criticized the government for bailing out "loser" mortgages which he said fostered bad behavior and suggested taking all those (mortgage) derivatives and dumping them in the Chicago River... like the Boston Tea Party. The video went viral and then many taxpayers (people you deemed losers) started showing up at town hall meetings demanding answers from their representatives as to how their money was being spent and wasted...

E.R.
respectfully, i'm not sure those % figures (or the abbreviated history lesson) will hold up to the slightest scrutiny.

When he criticized the government Santelli was implicitly criticizing Obama and the Obama administration. I can read Wikipedia also, but I saw it live. Fox News in their ever vigilant obsession to twist anything (no matter how small) negatively to put down this president, then picked up the Tea Party banter and pushed it's further creation. It is a media based Frankenstein monster created to make Fox massive profits and to give people like the Koch brothers stooges to do their dirty work for them. You want to try to make a real difference? Form your own national party without these dubious corporate funders and run on your own principles and see if you get anywhere. Even Libertarians were jumping on this Tea Party hoakieness. People like Rand Paul were never a Tea Partier. He was always Libertarian. He's taking advantage of the people and the exposure just like others are. Tea Partiers are being USED.

Oh BTW Eileen, about taxes, every single person in this country pays taxes, they may all not pay INCOME taxes, but they do pay taxes, sales taxes,payroll taxes SS taxes, Medicare taxes, go to the store and buy something without paying taxes. Even people on food stamps pay the same taxes you do at the store. They pay the same federal gasoline taxes on their car fill ups as you do. There are a few of the 1% wealthy that pay zero income taxes though. They in your 47%?

Speaking of corporate takeover... they sorely need to watch Netflix's "House of Cards" and see how it's "supposed" to be done. Not one of those people can even remotely mimic the "finesse" and cunning of Francis Underwood. (I often wonder if anyone in Congress actually has? Pretty scary if they did.)

a nicely distilled post Glen

Exactly Glenn. It'll happen. This group went down. They implode from within.

I'm not a liberal Eileen, I was a Republican who voted for Mr Obama. Let me put it this way, if people are so fragile as to become so enraged to action by the likes of Rick Santelli (a nobody quite frankly), and then be used and lied to everyday by Fox News (a group that definitely hates the president) and (at the time) folks like Glen Beck who made millions off the naive followers of the Tea Party, then the Tea Party deserves all the ridicule they get. You will never be relevant to 95% of our American citizens. Join the 21st century. 1776 is long over with. As to your contention that Fox didn't spread the initial word and create you guys for their own benefit... go back and read the (whole) Wikipedia page you cut and pasted from before.

BTW, no offense, but those 49% of people the "conservatives" claim don't pay taxes should actually be your idols, shouldn't they? That's also your (the Tea Party's) ultimate goal, not to pay any income taxes, right?

respectfully,
i think most of american politics stink... but i still believe in good governance. i cross party lines easily at the local to state level... tho the repub. platform proves too difficult for me beyond that. i have an open communication with God (always have) yet i believe evolution is just divine magic. and i say "live & let live!"; if that's a liberal then paint me red!

I GUESS Eileen Rite, YOU Do not want to "Pay for the following":Local Police Officers, Township Road Dept/Township Sewer&Water Dept/Municipal Court Officers/Municipal Hall Employees!

So where is the $$$ gonna "Pay these People"?? Ah... It "Grows on the Ronald Extremist Tea Party Tree" and Also "Almighty God just says.. ha..."Dont pay for it"...

Wake up stupid..

Working People are getting fed up with People who make well OVER $250K a Year and have the "Attitude":Little people pay taxes..

Let's get down to the nitty gritty Sav. While people may actually pay into the system 45% initially, they also take OUT much more then the lower income earners by way of deductions, tax credits, loopholes, and tax shelters that are not available to those making less money. Just the simple home mortgage interest deduction gives the wealthier Americans an edge over those not owning a home. Someone making 50K and renting has no choice but to lose ALL his income tax because of lack of deductions. What was your refund on your supposed $62,500 BTW? Your NET tax obligation? Take a company like GE. They either paid zero taxes after filing (after refunds) or some very low percentage. Take a person like Mitt Romney, he paid what?, 13%, on his dividends. Granted that's a few million, but come on, the 1% SHOULD be paying a LOT more if they continue to make 30% or more of all the income. The six family members who own Walmart made more money then 93 million Americans PUT TOGETHER! Maybe they should also pay the tax obligations of 93 million people too. They don't. Not even close. Some company owners (like at Walmart) can literally raise every single employee's salary, pay the medical insurance for them all, and provide several other benefit goodies, and not really even notice it. Think they will. Not a chance. But that's the problem with some of the wealthy, they squeeze the labor out of low cost workers in one hand, while they squeeze every penny of profit in the other.

Also, what you don't seem to understand is that putting more money in the hands of the bottom 95% is better for the economy of the WHOLE united States. These people usually HAVE to spend the money (not invest it) to live their daily lives. The economy is ALL about cash flow, and the more people passing around the exact same amount of money is better then the top 5% investing it in their business directly. The president is absolutely correct by taxing the wealthy more because in effect the economy gets a double whammy beneficial effect. The 85 billion more the wealthy pay in taxes each year is 85 billion more everyone else gets to keep in their checks and not deducted in taxes (because no matter who pays, the total tax obligation needs to be collected). The double whammy comes in because they keep the money, but they also SPEND the money and by doing that ALL businesses benefit, not just the small businesses that keep their taxes and who "might" invest it in their companies and new employees. It's the accumulative effect of passing the tax burden to the 5% away from the 95% that actually makes this scenario work around the WHOLE country. Your small company, while yes, paying slightly more in taxes, benefits by getting more overall customer's business (because they have more to spend) thereby increasing your business along with the improving national economy.

Oh yeav, and Sav, about tax deductions, the more taxes the wealthy get to loophole out of, the more everyone else has to make up for, because as I mentioned, the total tax obligation that is due the government budget HAS to be paid one way or the other whether the wealthy 1% pay it or the 99% pay it. The 1% definitely have an added advantage over the 99%. I hope you can see how that is now.

MMMM Let me get this Straight M.SAV
So YOU Just "Screw Over" your "Employees" while you get yours, with the "Annual excuse" Business is BAD, and I Need a "New Leased BMW,Mercedes Benz,Other HIGH COST Vehical" so that I LOOK Good to my fellow "Small Business Owners Friends", at the local GOLF Course.

And YOU "Write Off" the COST of "Leasing that Over PRICED Vehical" every year on your "Income Tax forms" and also the "Small Business Tax forms also"...

Working People who MAKE BELOW 50k are getting FED UP with YOUR Stupid excuses!

Eileen - it's ironic to read the announcement - and your own posts - and then hearing you complain that supposedly it is your opposition that "can't discuss anything without first resorting to derogatory labeling and name calling".

Let's see... "geezers", "underachiever", "IQ of a brick", "Socialist",...

I don't need to go on Youtube and watch it Eileen. As I mentioned before, I watched his rant live when it first happened. That crowd behind him are not quite "everyday working Americans", they were Wall Street brokers, dealers and insiders. They make money off "gambling" other people's money. They (Wall Street) were partly involved in the cause of our second depression, and Santelli has the gall to protest ANY mitigating process to try and stem the immense downward spiral at that time? He's a jackass. The tea party followed a jackass.

aside from the political cliche's, she was kinda funny Andy. at least, i was laughing. "hopelessly obtuse" is pretty good. also, i like how she called JP "pops"... i always had the feeling he was right around 70 so that made me smile. there was a guy a while back who called JP or me an "imbecile"; i really enjoyed hearing that word again. as for the Tea Party, i think they made some mistakes; Eileen disagrees.

I have to laugh, if you guys would really pay attention to all the posting I've done on patch, you would know that several times I have mentioned that I'm in my 50's.

No way JP, you're our age? i thought you were like a hundred! imagine the irony if you became the smug liberal and i became the crabby righteous conservative.?.?

The Tea Party made plenty of mistakes Gottardo, but the bigger tragedy is that the NAACP and Polosi in particular got away with labeling the Tea Party as racist bigots, topped off with that all time phony charge about being spit on as they marched through a Tea Party crowd to the Capitol. Funny thing... more than 5 years after a supposed event witness by 5,000 people, all with cell phone cameras, and not a single person has produced a single picture. But a meteor traveling at 17,000 mph can suddenly appears in the predawn hours over some remote section of Siberia and not only we do have countless pictures, we even have countless videos of a spontaneous event that lasted a whole 8 seconds!
Can you understand now why a lot of us are just so sick and tired of these race baiting, class bashing elitists supported by sycophantic main stream press?

Eileen, it's not that ALL the tea party members are racist (I'm sure they're not), it's the fact that when someone in the party IS racist there doesn't seem to be a SEVERE public condemnation of those people and a banning of those people from the group. The tea party tries to justify this by saying they are a group of individuals not controlled by any higher up hierarchy or leadership. That's just great. Essentially everyone does what they want, right? Good excuse. Anyway, are you trying to tell me PUBLIC incidents like this one... http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/20/montana-gop-chairwoman-posts-picture-of-plot-to-kidnap-president-using-watermelon-as-bait/ aren't the very thing that is going to "turn off" middle America to your cause (no matter how valid YOU think it is)? Let's face it, it's your group in Mahwah that went "belly up" and Mahwah is a Republican town, the very party your candidates run within. If you were so embraced by people in the USA who though the group was "just and true", we wouldn't be talking about this right now, would we.

What I feel sorry for is the Tea Party's selfish concern for their own sake and not the needs of the whole country. I'm concerned about their racist perceptions, and having members who equate our great country to socialism. Concerned about members who lean towards birtherism and contend our president is somehow not worthy or qualified for the presidency. Concerned they they actually think the election was rigged in his favor, and most of all that the Tea Party thinks they are right when everyone else is wrong. I feel sorry for YOU if you bought into that line of thought because quite frankly, you're just wrong.

Eileen, you keep tossing around the word "Liberal" as if everyone who doesn't agree with your view is one. If you're so concerned about people who think in racist perceptions (and misconceptions) and think the country is going Socialist, isn't that your group? The tea party?

You assume way too much Eileen. Unlike YOU, I care more about this country then I care about suppressing others to advance MYSELF. The tea partys ARE the boogeyman. Shame you don't realize what's actually happening to this country and the need to correct the imbalance as soon as possible.

I'm sure a real estate broker,wage earner, would refuse to take a commission from a public employee or union member as a matter of principle

Eileen you seem to ignore the fact that this country is headed down the tube BECAUSE of the way the imbalance is continuing to escalate year by year. We have come to a point in history (ala Rome in 476) where the wealthy can't be pumped up by the lower classes forever because there is no way for them to achieve the possibility for success on their own in America. All the paths for them are being eliminated. For instance, all the students who have accumulated the exorbitant debt to get a college degree, do you think they are all going to achieve a level of success today to pay those usury loans back? Or how about the paltry minimum wage we have in this country. $7.25/hr? You have got to be kidding me. Could YOU live on $7.25 in a full time job? We have hundreds of thousands actually working, to strive to be as you say "successful hard working people" who cannot prosper because glut rich corporations refuse to patriotically invest in their own fellow Americans. I repeat, I'm not a Liberal, but talking to you I may actually become one if the people in the Republican party now think like you do. You need to get out of your tea party shell and see what middle class America is really like. I'm not saying to give them what they need, I'm saying give them the chances and the tools again to get what they need themselves. They are losing those chances everyday. They've been losing since Ronald Reagen (whom I liked, but unfortunately started the imbalance rolling).

I can guarantee you he's from Earth, a planet you need to get to know better.

I guess this would not be a good time to admit I can't wait to sign up for Obamacare.

Eileen, (ur not f---in with my name,are you?)
respectfully c'mon
Hank has been posting these sorts of quips for years now. they're not my taste and i rarely expel the extra 3 or 4 ATP required to process his riddles, but his stupidity is hardly of staggering proportion.

The sarcasm is just wasted on some people Hank.

Thanks for the compliment Gottardo. I actually met Mr. ER in fact I sat right next to him at a dinner recently.

Hanky (i'd still toss you under the bus in a heartbeat),
serendipity has graduated you from 'hopelessly clueless' to a harmless gentleman. this is getting slightly interesting after Eileen's long sermon on the cross-bearing Realtor vs Union worker/Public employee who's lazy & receiving handouts.
Ei wrote "The realtor doesn't get paid unless the house sells, union worker/public employee gets paid regardless. The realtor doesn't get health insurance, job security or retirement benefits, the union worker/public employee gets all that and more" Yikes, that's some campy melodrama! the whole thing is just priceless.

There's nothing stopping her from getting a union job also if she's so envious of their benefits, but I imagine she'd still want to be a realtor despite what she claims is an inequity.

Eileen, respectfully
i felt certain you'd make this exact denial (and the revised pillowy choice btw 'risk' and 'contentment' is lovely). However, though it was not explicit in your words, the derrogatory connotations were clear... or in your own words they're CODE... a cliche' and unfair acrimonious 'code' that's all too familiar.

And you're simply ridiculous Eileen because, quite frankly, you don't get it. Never will I'm guessing.

Oh really, you're so intelligent and you can't seem to grasp the simple analogies that I post. Brilliant I must say. You just don't "get it" do you. You say you want intelligent conversation, yet you constantly mock and attempt to demean the very people you're having the dialog with, with idiotic put downs. Your track record in this thread Eileen, is not very good for making your case. There's absolutely nothing here to disprove since it's merely your viewpoints, which are simply wrong. It's the Mahwah tea party group (and their "strange" ideas) that are gone, not we here, posting on Patch, about them.

100% /wun-hun-dred-per sent/ n. 1 a rhetorical device of overstatement securing the obvious.

Actually Ei, i left for Maryland on business Friday morning... i just got back tonight (Sunday). You seem angrier if that's possible. i read all your posts and disagree as always. Ironically JP and Hank spoke beautifully for me... you have an uncanny ability to bring former adversaries together in opposition to your wenchiness. The semantics-nag thing you do is a whiny failed tactic; I say stick to plain bitchy. As for the prejudice of your public worker comments, i'm revising down my earlier 100% estimate to 99.999% as an olive branch to you Peaches. If that’s no good we could still take that vote ;O)
p.s. wasn’t there some Tea-Party Witch that told Harry Reid to ‘man up’… is this macho plagiarism?

Eileen, if you were smart enough to "get it", you would know that a gamble is not a risk... if you have nothing to lose. NOW, do you "get it"??

LOL, click on the link I just posted down below Hank. If the Tea Party WERE to take over, they wouldn't know what to cut or where to start. Too funny.

Hank, There is no humor in Eileen's algorithm... only zealot lectures on the constitution and predictions of tax&spend doom & gloom (yawn). Keep revealing the complexities of what seems obvious with your silly thing called humor, brother.

What freedoms have YOU lost in all your years in America. If anything your rights have only gotten stronger. Your paranoia is unfounded my dear.

Poor people are at risk every day just struggling to make ends meet. Just being able to feed themselves. You're probably in a nice house, whith everything you need, wanting to start a business (maybe as a hobby), taking a BIG "risk", WOW, big risk! You're not living in the streets are you? Probably not, you have internet access. If your "risk" fails, you going to lose everything? Don't think so. Talk to the people that lose their minimum wage jobs and ask them about risk, honey.

Oh please, get real.

Not quite GD, I was enjoying the Irish time off.

Yuk, that's what you do at "parties"? What'd they serve there, Tea?

JP, was just having a little fun with you. As for Eileen, you guys should def hook-up. she sounds patently 'Mad' with a bit of Mania to me... and oh yes, most definitely a Republican.

No problem GD. Life is sweet. Hope all is well with you.

JP, don't forget that GoD referred to you as a "harmless clown" and as for the mall... I love it when these people move into Paddington Square and then take up the fight against Pilot or the expansion of Crossroads and oh by the way how it's going to effect the Stag Hill traffic... Really?

Someone deleted my last post, regardless, I doubt if we'll ever see the MTP back again with any large influence, but just to show people what we're dealing with, here's some included video of another New Jersey tea party group being interviewed. Seems (to me) they don't know why they are tea party, they just are. It's quite amusing, watch the first couple minutes of the video... http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-conservative-panelist-over-gop-hypocrisy-calls-american-people-morons/