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Parents Fight For Smaller Class Sizes

150 Lenape Meadows parents ask the Board of Ed to add more teachers to the district's largest elementary school

 

Do students at all of Mahwah’s elementary schools have the same learning opportunities? That was the underlying question asked Wednesday night by a group of about 150 parents from Lenape Meadows, who asked the Board of Education to hire more teachers at their school.

The parents argued that class sizes in two grades in particular – the rising first graders and third graders – are too big.

“We are concerned about the day-to-day learning experiences of our kids,” one parent at the school board meeting Wednesday night, Shana Brown, said. “A class of 25 or 26 kids is just too big.”

The concern amongst Lenape parents comes about a month after a group of parents from another district elementary school, George Washington, brought up the same issue. Last month, Superintendent Dr. Karen Lake announced the rising third graders at GW would be divided into three classes next year, not two. Parents had expressed concern that one of the current third grade teachers at the school would be moved to a different grade, leaving their kids in overcrowded classrooms.

Lenape parents asked not just for a rearranging of current staff, but the hiring of new faculty members at the school.

Lake said that adding teachers at Lenape is “definitely a possibility,” but that the board has to continue analyzing enrollment numbers and “assessing where our greatest needs are” before it decides which specific positions it will add to the district next year.

As part of this year’s school budget, the board allowed for nine new full-time hires in the 2012-2013 school year. Tentatively, the board is planning to hire one first grade teacher at Lenape, one English-Second-Language (ESL) teacher, two special education teachers, a math and science teacher at the high school, three reading teachers and one district director of curriculum.

While the number of new hires for next year will remain at nine, Lake said the specific positions may change. “We are constantly monitoring our enrollment numbers and meeting with building principals to see what we need the most. And, we do that through the summer months because enrollment numbers, especially in the younger grades, tend to change so much.” She said a final decision on which grades will get new teachers likely will not be made until this summer.

District Business Administrator Ed Deptula said that the board likes to make its final hiring decisions by “August 15, when letters go home telling kids what classes they are in.”

Lenape parent and HSO Vice President Denise Pikowski said parents were not satisfied with the response from the district’s administration. “The parents at GW were given a more immediate reassurance that their kids will have a better learning environment next year. I think we should get that too.”

Pikowski sent a note to HSO parents urging them to attend Wednesday’s Board meeting. “For the past three weeks George Washington parents have attended the meetings in force to make certain they maintain their existing three third grade classes for the current second grade class to move into next year. By the show of people in attendance, it was approved,” her letter said. “[We] deserve a smaller class size ratio as well.”

The board provided statistics that show that the average class size of a first grade class at Lenape this year is larger than those at GW and Betsy Ross, the district’s other K-3 elementary schools.

In the second grade this year, GW had the biggest average class sizes.

First Grade (2011-2012 school year)

School

# of Students

Sections

Avg. # of Students per Class

Betsy Ross

55

3

18.3

George Washington

52

3

17.3

Lenape Meadows

94

4

23.5

Second Grade (2011-2012 school year)

School

# of Students

Sections

Avg. # of Students per Class

Betsy Ross

62

3

20.7

George Washington

51

2

25.5

Lenape Meadows

118

5

23.6

However, Pikowski argued that once GW’s second graders move into three classes next year, the average class size will go to 17.3 students per class. “Lenape Meadows has 118 [rising third graders], and only five classes, a 23.6 student per class ratio,” she said in her letter. “We need to fight for a sixth class for this grade, otherwise the numbers will remain at an average of nearly 24 to a class.”

Other parents at the meeting said the board needs to address the “learning discrepancies” between the districts' three schools. “We understand that the class sizes at the three schools can’t be exactly the same, that’s not realistic,” Brown said. “But, when you have one school with 17 kids in a class and another with 25, that’s just too big of a difference. It’s not fair.”

Parents and district administrators brought up Thursday the differences in state test scores between students at Lenape and those at GW and BR. According to results released by the state earlier this year, nearly 37 percent of third grade students at Lenape were not proficient in Language Arts. Only 2.3 and 10.6 percent of students at BR and GW respectively scored at a “below proficient” level on last year’s state exams.

Some parents at the meeting said test scores at Lenape were one of their concerns, and that they believed reducing class sizes would help improve test scores.

Lake said the district has already taken steps to combat test scores that were “lower than what we wanted” at Lenape and two other district schools. The board has implemented tutoring programs, dual-teacher classrooms and Language Arts curriculum review. “Class sizes are not the only factor when it comes to test scores, but it is one of our concerns,” she said.

Lenape is by far the largest school of its kind in the district. It has about double the number of students that George Washington and Betsy Ross do. The smaller schools have over 200 students in each, while Lenape, which is physically much larger, has over 400 students.

Lake said class sizes at “every school in the district will continue to be monitored and we will make hiring decisions accordingly.” While she said she is “fully aware” that the two grades in question at Lenape Meadows are “places we need to watch,” she said every class in the district will be monitored to see “where our needs are greatest, and what positions we need to hire most.”

  • Do you think kids at all Mahwah elementary schools get the same education?

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    • Yes, I think the district does a good job of keeping things fair
        25 (20%)
    • No, class sizes are bigger at Lenape and that's not fair
        73 (59%)
    • Each school has its own pros and cons, so I think it works out in the end
        19 (15%)
    • Other (Tell us in the comments)
        5 (4%)
    Total votes: 122
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Related Topics: Lenape Meadows School, Mahwah Class Sizes, Mahwah Education, and Mahwah Schools

Lower Taxes

5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

I know that saying anything in this area can be extremely volatile, however I feel that we just do not have infinite funding to keep expanding school budgets. I also think that Mr. Rivera's TV show already proved that money is wasted, and students are far behind the results in Europe because there is no competition in the system between schools. In some European countries he showed that vouchers are given to the families and they decide the best school to send their child to. Schools which don't measure up just don't survive. In this case, under such a system parents who disagreed with the ratio of students to teachers in Lenape Meadows would have the option to remove their children to a school which they felt were more appropriate. Just dumping more and more money into a failing school system only results in undue stain on all parents who have to pay for this mess with higher and higher real estate taxes which some can ill afford. I am putting a steel helmet to protect myself against the flack to come.

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Andy Schmidt

10:16 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

You want American students to keep up from K through 12? Give them 2.5 weeks more of school each grade, which amounts to an entire school YEAR by the time they graduate high school.

Kids in Europe are not smarter, but apparently parents are when electing their governments! I don't know how long it will take America to finally figure out that kids no longer need to stay home to work their parents' fields from the end of June through early September. 6 weeks, like in Europe, is plenty of time - and relieves parents of the added expense of having to pay for 3 more weeks of day-camps, just so that the parents can earn a living - while at the SAME time ALSO paying salaries for teachers who SHOULD be at their workplace at that time.

Lower Taxes

5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

My son was recently turned down for the second summer session of a Leadership class for students considering admission to West Point Military Academy. I called to ask about him being placed on a waiting list in case someone would drop out. I was astounded to be told that this second session is only for Chinese nationals because they are much smarter. I am not sure if Chinese nationals means students from Taiwan or mainland China. So it seems that us Americans are paying taxes for an institution that will not accept our American educated students in one of its sessions.
What do you think of that?

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Ralph

5:53 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

Richard, I think that is outrageous and an investigation should be opened to see if this is true. I would speak with my Senator and let him find out what is going on.

Andrea Rodriguez

5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

Hi Jessica. I don't believe I said what was quoted above. I just want to clarify that although the BOE brought up the test scores numerous times, they are not important to me. I am concerned about the day to day curriculum and learning experiences of our children. Large class sizes make it difficult for teachers to get to really know their kids and give them the individual attention they need. I am also concerned that we are going to burn out our good teachers due to the pressure of the test scores.

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Andrea Rodriguez

11:57 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

Thanks, Jessica for retracting the quote.

Mike Zdanis

12:57 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

Average class sizes in Mahwah seem adequate and compare favorable to country schools. Our classes averaged 30-35 in my era and learning was accomplished.
The smallest classes are right in the home.

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Shana

3:04 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

30-35 students in a class? What era? That may have been feasible in the 50's when curriculum was not as vast and students sat silently in rows. There is no way to accomplish individualized instruction to that many students with modern methods of cooperative working and discourse.

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Ralph

5:49 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

wow Shana You sound like a teacher or a young parent with that comment. Yes the era of those class sizes were in the 70 and 80's and yes we learned very well because our teachers cared to teach us and our parent also taught us to be respectful and to get a good education. You see its not the class size that counts, its the will of the student to learn and the parents to assist. Guess coming home and playing video games really helps today with the learning. By the way, the last time I hired one of the students of today, they couldnt add or subtract without a calculator or a computer to do the work for them. So much for modern methods and coorperative working. But thanks for the good laugh today!

Randy H

9:02 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

well all I have to say is, let the parents pay for the new teachers if they want smaller classes for their kids, lets see how fast they shut their mouths when they have to open their check book and flip the bill for the new teacher. Mahwah residents taxes should not go up because parents want smaller classes for their kids.. We did fine when we grew up, and we had classes full of students. When I was a kid, if I was not doing good in a subject, my mother did not blame the class size, she blamed my study habits, this is what the parents should do, because what happens when the classes are small and their kids are still failing?

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AMM

11:37 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

Randy, if it makes you feel any better my generation of tax paying citizens are funding your generation's entitlements (social security, medicare) and will probably not see a dime of that money.

AMM

11:51 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

A review of the objective numbers of class sizes throughout the years do show that there is generally parity in class sizes within the Mahwah elementary schools. There appear to be ebbs & flows in enrollment resulting in lower pupil to teacher ratios that do not favor any school. However, assuming no changes in enrollment, if a sixth teacher is not added for the 2012-2013 LM third grade classes, there will be approx 17 kids per class @ GW, 20 @ BR & 24 @ LM. A sixth teacher would bring that to 20 students per class @ LM. I trust that the BOE will monitor and will do what is needed.

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Shana

4:34 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012

Ralph, I am both a former teacher and a young parent. I grew up in the 80's in an area where education was a priority and 100% of my graduating class went to a 4 year college (many being our nation's top institutions). I didn't have anywhere near 30-35 in a class. Those numbers are way too high to expect positive results and individualized attention. It's fine that you are laughing about it, but as a parent I want what is best for my children. Mahwah should make sure there is a fair distribution of teachers amongst the 3 K-3 schools. And Randy H.--I am already paying for the teachers--I pay the same taxes as you do and all the Mahwah residents so why should GW and BR residents get more benefits from those taxes?

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Maureen

9:23 am on Sunday, April 22, 2012

I have a child in Lenape and I did not know about this meeting. Does anyone know how this was communicated to the public? I would have went because my sons class size is too large for the teacher to teach effectively. She has even said that this class is to large.

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Jessica Mazzola

10:56 am on Sunday, April 22, 2012

Maureen -- From my understanding, Lenape HSO parents organized coming to the meeting. I believe the HSO circulated letters and tried to spread the word through the parent community at Lenape.

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