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POLL: Do You Agree with the Ravi Sentence?

Judge sentences former Rutgers student to 30 days, and a $10,000 fine.

 

Dharun Ravi was sentenced to 30 days in the Middlesex County Adult Correction Center, 300 hours of community service, three years probation and a $10,000 fine by a Superior Court judge in New Brunswick on Monday.

Ravi, 20, remained emotionless during the sentencing, his hand clasped to his mouth, while Superior Court Judge Glenn Berman explained the sentencing.

The fine is to be paid to a state-sanctioned organization that assists victims of bias crimes, Berman said. Ravi must also attend counseling programs that address cyber bullying and alternative lifestyles, Berman said.

Both Ravi's attorneys and the state plan to appeal the sentence, and have 10 days to do so. Earlier this month, the prosecution made a request for a maximum prison sentence in state prison.

Berman made a point of stating that Ravi was convicted of a bias crime.

"The word 'hate' has never crossed my lips or (Prosecutor Julia McClure's)," Berman said. "This individual was not convicted of a hate crime, he was convicted of a bias crime, and there is a difference."

Ravi was found guilty in March on 23 of 35 charges contained in 15 counts, including bias intimidation, witness tampering, and invasion of privacy.

The charges stem from September 2010, when Ravi spied on former Rutgers University roommate Tyler Clementi via webcam as Clementi was in their shared dorm room being imtimate with a man identified only as "M.B."

Clementi committed suicide on Sept. 22, 2010, by jumping off the George Washington Bridge, and his death gained national attention as a talking point for bullying cases involving gay and lesbian youth.

Ravi was not charged in connection with Clementi's death.

Ravi faces state prison time if he violates the terms of his probation, Berman said. However, the probation term may be altered if Ravi completes the other terms of his sentence and is a full-time college student, Berman said. 

Berman said he would recommend that Ravi not be deported, but said he is not the final authority on that decision.

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  • Do you agree with the judge's sentence?

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    • Yes
        772 (42%)
    • No
        1064 (57%)
    Total votes: 1836
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Related Topics: Dharun Ravi, Rutgers, and Tyler Clementi

Elizabeth Larson

3:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

I am relieved that it is not a long time even though it does reflect that what he did is not Ok. The sweet young man who ended his life did so because he had multiple problems with himself. Still, what was done was a true invasion of privacy. May many learn that life is a serious undertaking and respect for all is essential.

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james

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

How do you know he had multiple problems with himself?

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DD6479

4:45 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I agree completely, Ravi never forced Clementi to commit suicide, I feel this is more of a "straw the broke the camels back" situation. I think Clementi was dealing with some real mental issues. I dont think Ravi's intentions were meant to be a hate chrime nor do I think his motivations were intended to cause Bodily harm/death to Clementi. I really think this was just a prank by a kid and I dont think should be the end of Ravi's life because the prank went wrong.

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Codyblue

5:54 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I find it quite odd and cold that you and DD6479 feel that this less than slap on the wrist was OK, and that Tyler C. had "multiple problems with himself"....and it was the "straw that broke the camels back" "it was just a prank"....really? What if he/she were your husband/wife (caught cheating on YOU)...your child or someone you knew whose privacy was raped by such a sick mind as Ravi. Maybe it was the fact that Tyler was indeed gay and maybe a bit too sensitive for the two of you and thus your callous and lame comments. Really, look in the mirror. What do you teach your children if you think that a 30 day sentence is OK. Ravi will be out in 15 days or so.....and others looking on think that his type of behavior was just fine. Judge Berman should be ashamed of himself. Everyone should just toughen up and live up to your standards. I think not. Pity to read your cut and dry comments.

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Robin Reef

12:13 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I believe that the light sentence is appropriate. He did not kill Clemente and there is a lot of evidence that showed that Clemente was troubled long before the suicide. What he did was terrible and warrants some punishment but he did not commit a violent crime. I think community service in serving the gay community would have done much more in terms educating Ravi and creating better relations between the gay community and homophobic people.

Goutham Basa

3:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

The question do you agree with Ravi's sentence is a little confusing. There are many who would like to answer that they are not in agreement with the sentence and this must not be taken as he should have been sentences for more time. Jail time is not something which was needed for this. There are many teen and college pranks which are far more worse. Since there is a GAY element to this, the issue has taken a "Mob Mentality" case. When the issue was hot and media hype surged, people wanted to crucify him without giving it a thought. Remember he is not charged with Tyler's death. He should have not got any jail time.
I did not know how to vote for this survey. My yes would be I stand for punishment for Ravi or no could mean that one month jail time is not enough. I stand for no jail time for him but community service.

Goutham

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Richard Barron

3:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

The kid did an awful, mean-spirited thing but unfortunately, too many of us did insensitive things in high school and college - things that we can't think about now without cringing. Unfortunately, this kid's actions had tragic results. I'm glad the judge didn't compound the tragedy by throwing the book at him.

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buddy

3:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

I view suicide as the final desperate action when one has no hope left and can't stand life for one more minute (vs. being selfish or weak ~ I think that is an unfair characterization of the act itself).

Tyler must have been in a very fragile state of mind and in such deep despair that he took his own life. I do not hold this kid responsible for Tyler's death, per se, but he is responsible for being a very mean, bigoted, and nasty person.

I think this kid got off way too easy. I think he, at a minimum, should have been deported. The thing I find the most upsetting is his "poor me" attitude. I can't stand reading how he and his parents believe people misunderstood his intentions. He is cruel and his only remorse has been directed at himself, and that makes me sick.

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FourScore

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Deported??? Where is it written that he is even an immigrant?

Toni M.

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

Society is as much to blame. If that boy wasn't so afraid of what society would think because of who he was, he would be alive today regardless of what his roommate did.

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Susan Tuck

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

This is exactly what I feel. Sadly, the idea of being gay was so horrifying to this child that he would rather have killed himself instead of being found out. No doubt that filming was an invasion of privacy and mean spirited etc., however, not equal to murder. We have to find a way to allow gay people to NOT feel stigmatized.

FanwoodMom

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

I think 30 days in jail for invasion of privacy is a bit weak and I agree with Rory that Ravi will most likely be offered a lot more $$ for his story than he is asked to pay in fines.

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MONIQUE

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS SO SAD AND "YES ' OBVIOUSLY TYLER CLEMENTI MUST HAVE HAD SOME OTHER ISSUES AND INSECURITY ISSUES GOING ON , BUT WHO IS THIS YOUNG MAN TOO GO AND INVADE HIS PRIVACY AND OBVIOUSLY THIS MALICIOUS ACT MUST HAVE PUT HIM OVER THE EDGE. IT'S REALLY REALLY SAD AND I COULD NOT IMAGINE THE PAIN TYLER' S PARENTS ARE GOING THROUGH. I AM THE PARENT OF 3 SONS AND I COULD NOT IMAGINE LOSING ONE OF THEM. I THINK HE GOT OFF TOO EASY, RAVI STILL HAS HIS LIFE BUT TYLER DOESN'T.

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rob

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

This sentence is an absolute slap in the face to the citizens of this country. Judge Berman needs to be removed from the bench for incompetency. The prosecutor needs to appeal the decision and Ravi (and Molly Wei) needs to spend several years in prison and then be deported back to India.

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PB

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

Lets keep in mind that the kid was found guilty of witness tampering, evidence tampering, etc. On those charges alone he must be punished lest we begin the unraveling of the entire judicial system. He did a stupid thing and then made it worse when he did several ILLEGAL things. Of course he must go to jail.

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Louis Fontana

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

"I think this kid got off way too easy."

Let's see: he was kicked out of Rutgers, and rightly so. Will another college take him? That remains to be seen. He will get out of jail, and then what? If he can't get into another college, will he find a decent job? Would any employer in NJ touch him? And even if he moves to, say, Florida or Illinois, a google search of his name by any prospective employer would reveal his conviction for bias crimes.

What the defendant did was terrible, no question. But as some of the other posters have noted, young people often do dumb and insensitive things in high school and college. I'm not sure 60 days, or 90 days, or 1 year, would have made a difference here.

Also, I would be curious as to whether the judge's decision on 30 days was based on precedent.

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Emily Rostkowski

1:21 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

@Louis- You are basing your answer of whether Ravi got off too easy out of assumptions. Your questions of whether another college will accept him.. prolly not one in the same caliber as Rutgers, but there are online degrees and he can go in his pj's as the commercials state. Can he get a job in the future.. probably yes. He has more chances of retaining employment than Tyler Clementi.
So far the only punishment that Ravi has received is being kicked out of Rutgers. He was even given 10 days to appeal his current sentence... which is says he is doing. Bullying back in the day before social media was known as the big kid headlocking the smaller kids for lunch money, name calling, and the occasional jock taking the AV kid in his trunk. When I was a kid... after a bad day of being bullied.. I would go to bed and wake up the next morning with it just a distant memory. With videoing and social media embarassing bullying is made public for everyone to see everyday for the rest of the person's life. Just because some people do dumb and insensitive things in highschool and college... is not an excuse for a slap on the wrist. There are consequences to behavior. You drive someone to the brink... there is a consequence.
Ravi got off way to easy! May his appeal bring him longer jail time..

LUCILLE JOYNER

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

A $10,000 fine is not a penalty unless the perpetrator is made to earn it himself. People can raise money for Ravi, so it isn't necessarily a penalty. And what is 30 days to the life he took? For the cruel and stupid thing he did to humiliate another human being and drive them to suicide , he should be sent to prison for no less than a year, preferably up to 5 years. The scoundrel doesn't even seem sorry for what he did. Meanwhile there is a mother crying for her dead son.

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justicescries

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

Agree. 2 points. First, if Ravi was not darked skin Indian he would be walking away from this tragedy with a slap on the back of the hand, and if he was black, it would be worst, he would have gotten the full 10 years. Secondly, the entire approach by his defense was flawed. Ravi's lawyer seemed to be stumbling through an entire chain of events, that an expert would have had a difficult time following. He focused too much on dates and times, what he or she said, etc. I would have gotten psychologists, and sociologists to state why this case was about a dumb kid outing another dumb gay kid and not a hate crime. Privacy invasion? Are you kidding me? Who in the world that has ever lived in a dorm and expected complete privacy for sex? Everybody knows everybody's business in college dorms, especially your room mates. Where are the college regulations that allow visits for man sex and require room mates to leave the room? Nobody is asking the other questions. What's a 30 something man doing in a dorm full of young men and women and having sex with a student? If this was a 30 plus man visiting a female student, this would have been an outrage. I think what Ravi did was highly immoral but it can hardly be a crime. Newspapers do this type of outing to celebrities all the time. They don't always result in suicides but they do ruin people's lives. I think that we have confused feeling terrible for Clementi with blind justice. I could have saved the Ravi kid from the guilty verdict.

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Nose Wayne

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

Rory,Slap on the wrist,did not even look up or stand up(total disrespect) when charges were read.ANY money on a book deal should go into a fund for victims of this crime.Ithink he should be DEPORTED AFTER SERVING HIS SENTENCE!!!

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Deported? Justicescries is correct. On one side you have flaming mad gays and on the other you have even more sinister bigots. An unholy alliance. Let this kid go home (in US).

justicescries

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

If I ever need a lawyer, I would get justicescries.

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J. M. Winchock

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

This crime was not committed by a "kid" - the man is an adult. His actions were not "mean-spirited" - they were criminal. Had Ravi not attempted to hide his crime, I might me in agreement with the 30 day sentence, but he knowingly tried to cover his actions and coerce others to assist him. The fine is laughable. I applaud the jury for their performing their due diligence and am saddened by the judge who could not perform his.

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judge dread

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

No matter the length of the sentence-his life is ruined, so the price he paid is already greater than the crime. Had tyler not killed himself, this would not even be a byline. That said Ravi and his family come off as remorseless jerks.

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Judge, I am with you. Unfortunately, this has taken a lynching mob atmosphere and only Ravi's blood will satisfy their thirst.

Ginger

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

This sentence does not send a strong enough message to deter others from spying. Nor does it punish him for what he did. Computers make it very easy to invade the privacy of others. 30 days? Really? He will be free in 30 days and Tyler is dead. His parents will never be free of that. Truth is -if Tyler wasn't spied on and humiliated to such a degree--he may very well still be alive today. Very sad and the judge should be ashamed of himself.

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Ginger, I will be honest with you. I do not know what laws were broken here. How do we know what his 30 yr old lover role was in all this. How do we know that when the middle age lover found out, he did not say anything to Tyler that pushed him over the edge? The only reason this kid was found guilty is because he had a lousy lawyer. He should have hired justicescries

Sharon Moore

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

Disgust to the judge
The boy Ravi needs deporting
Why should tax payers have to support the criminal while doing prison time (. Haha, 30 days). Then pay for him to do probation !!
Send the Gay hater back to India
He's not wanted here

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Send the gay hater (with a capital G) back to India he's not wanted here? Whatever happened to turning the other cheek?

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chokhi

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Why? Do only "Gay Lovers" live in US? Does not that make every single person living here a gay person? ( Haha, how about sending all the gay lovers back to whereever they came from?) This is not about gays or straight. This is about finding someone else and put the blame on him or her by making an example out of them.

William H

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

To me is a great leap from outing somebody to hate crime. This part of the law is so unclear. This does start to establish a precedent taking hate crime to an area not anticipated. What happens now? Is anything that outs whether true or false and embarrasses a person so much that it causes the person to commit suicide, considered a hate crime? Is playing a joke on somebody bullying? Can a kid that has never bullied but plays a bad joke on another be considered a bully? Is bullying a single act committed by someone that is not a bully or a single act by someone who is clearly a bully. Can somebody explain how this work? Technology is a big challenge. Recently schools gave laptops to kids with cameras that turned on by remote command from other distant computers. Can the schools be brought up on criminal charges? Kids having computer cameras turn on remotely in the rooms of their own homes are a big leap from college dorms. There is virtually no privacy in college dorms, especially from room mates. In dorms everybody knows your business. In the middle of this are victims who lost a son, and some who are near loosing a son to a penal system. This is really a complex case that has not been settled yet.

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chokhi

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I agree with you William H.

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Nicole

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Thing is, Ravi didn't merely out Tyler. He invaded his privacy and then invited anyone with an internet connection to watch him having (ew gay) sex. Then he realized Tyler knew of the invasion and tattled on him, and then Ravi tried to cover it up by deleting messages and asking his friend to lie. To me, that's what takes it from a stupid kid doing a stupid thing to criminal bullying and criminal bias.

Maybe Ravi's lawyers have instructed him not to show remorse for fear of admitting guilt. So when the appeals are over and he's doing his community service, I will be watching carefully for his speaking out against bias actions like his. That's why I don't think he should be deported.

scruffy

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

I think that 30 days is too light. I would have like a few months at a minimum. The Community Service will not be taken lightly by the Organizations of which he has to serve it with. They will make sure he fulfills it. The fine I am not so sure about however...I feel the Clementi's will go for a Civil Trial of which bigger sentences and fines can be assessed. The judge tried to explain why certain counts do not warrant time in jail and I could understand some of that. The reality is that the State thru the book at him with every charge they could which was ridiculous. Tyler the poor young man had a lot on his mind to deal with Ravi only being one point of which. He struggled with coming out to his family first of all which did not accept that and then the pain inflicted from his room mate on top of that made it unbearable. Rutgers also has some blame for how they handled the request for a room mate change. Will they also settle up with the family? Will all colleges learn from this that the system of picking room mates today is broken and needs overhauling? We knee jerked after Tyler's death and created anti-bullying laws that are now impacting kindergartners wrongly and creating paper trails. Let's all breathe and let some time pass to let this all sink in. Ravi should have apologized but would anyone really have listened and believed it was genuine is the question.

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Concerned

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

The way you state your question is wrong so he results have no merit. It does not allow a proper answer. It should be 1. Do you think the judge's decision was too harsh or 2.do you think the judge was to lenient. I think he should be deported at the least or he should spend 5 years in jail to set an example. He had no remorse and thought it was funny. The system lost track of the fact that a young man is dead due to to the arrogance of Ravi. He didn't pull the trigger but caused the death.

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Steven T. Cornella Sr

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

@ buddy ..amen ....I could not agree with you any more ..I think to set an example for in the future cases as in this one ..........DEPORT his ass and some HARD time before he was DEPORT would did him wonders ...........I believe although not charged with the Death of the young man ..Ravi actions caused his death ........and there should be some kind of punishment for the outcome of lost of Life ,.Just as in supplying the cocaine or heroin to the person shooting it in there arm cause them to OD ,the supplier is charged in the Death .............I hope some lessons were learned in this case .........

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Deport, deport, deport. Death, death, death. Listen to you all. Do you really think Tyler's mom will feel better if this kid dies in jail. I would keep this kid out of jail just to save the soul of Tyler's parents. Looking at them, I don't see them as the killing kind.

Steve Weiser

10:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012

County Correction Center (jail) has a nice sounding name, but it is not a nice place. There are some serious offenders waiting for court dates, there are all sorts of hardened crimmals in County.
All of the mean, horrible things that happen on the silver screen, shown in federal prisons; can happen in county too. This is New Jersey, not Alaska, County Jail is the real-deal. 30 days for a college student, who hasn't been in trouble with the law before, will have a tough 30 days & 30 nights.

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maddmom

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Steve W. It's real bad. He may not make it out with this type of crime hanging over him. People don't realize that his kid just got a death sentence.

William Mays

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I think that this sentence is appropriate. I have no doubt that Ravi never meant to cause Clementi to kill himself. We've all participated in pranks and unfortunately, this one ended badly, 30 days is a good way to warn others against it. Ravi isn't guilty of murder, Clementi chose to end his own life.

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Rory Chadwick

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Never meant, but he did. Just like when a guy points a gun at a friend as a joke "but it went off, i didn't mean to do it", that guy gets 20 to life and Ravi gets 15 days with good behavior and a fine he can pay with 1/50th of the money he is going to get for a book deal and interviews. SMH

Nose Wayne

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Probabily get only 15 days for good behavior.Should be in state prison.Deportation? Yea right,that that is really going to happen.The Judge,we all NOSE what should happen to Glenn Berman,find another occupation!!

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chokhi

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

What if TC was not a gay person and was involved with a female partner at the time when DR did what he did? Would this case have taken the route that it did? I think not! Do you think TC would have been so uncomfortable with the situation and thought of suicide? I have my doubts about that. I think TC took his own life because he was uncomfortable and possibly embarrased (his parents not having accepted his being gay) about himself being gay. One of them was "okay" with their son's choice and the other parent did not accept him being gay. Why not haul the parent into the jail too? All the people who want Ravi's blood are probably vicious themselves and are trying to make this case an example in their quest against straight people.

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Kari

6:02 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Tyler Clemente's parents will have it tough for the rest of their lives.

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Scondo

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Yes, his parents will have it tough for the rest of their lives and there is a lesson to be learned there, hug your children every day regardless of if their choices are not totally in accord with your own. By all accounts the young man was devastated that his mother rejected his sexuality when he came out to her. As for Ravi there is but one real thing remaining, and that is his deportation. The sentence was justifiable under law, but that does not mean he needs to remain.

sp resident

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I don't think he should have even gotten any jail time . He should have gotten just a fine. If this sentence was used as a deterrent ,well let's just see if it works. Everyday things like this happen in schools, and it's not going to stop unless maybe if the victim commits suicide then we will take notice . . Parents need to speak to their kids everyday about treating others with respect . And children also follow by example ,the parents gossip and treat others badly, and so will the kids.

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Scott Dean

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I feel terrible for Tyler Clemente's family, actually convicted of these offenses and such a light sentence.

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Nose Wayne

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

DON'Tt DO THE CRIME,iF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME!!How sad is the justice system today.NOSE wonder there is so much crime going on in today's world.Chokhi,unfortunately, his parent have to live with that the rest of their lives.

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George

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

In Ravis culture cows are sacred and treated like royalty , too bad he felt less than that for a human being. Throw the book at him!!

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Rosie

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Tyler Clementi took his life because of what Ravi did to him. Tyler's parents will live the rest of their lives without their beloved son. On the other hand, this obnoxious young man, Ravi, is walking away with a slap on his hand. Unbelievable. Another judicial mess from another uncaring, stupid judge. Ravi should have been given a sentence of at least 6 months behind bars. It is ashame that this is how it turned out. I wonder how that judge feels today - if he has any feelings at all. He should hide his head in shame.

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sammy

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

He acted in a seriously horrible manner. Invading privacy and using it to make himself look better for the rest of his lil friends. Why else would he do it - build himself up at the expense of another's weakness. But to be jailed and tried for this is a waste. it wont stop anyone else from doing the same thing.

lets talk about how TYyler's mother tossed him aside for informing her that he is gay. i feel for the loss of a son. but to blame ravi for her sons death is a stretch that has been made by those with personal grudges and looking for a scapegoat.

Ravi is a spoiled brat, low life creep but if we start jailing people for that , well , lets just start saluting the hammer and syckle

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Tyreke Johnson

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

What about Ravi's privacy. It was his dorm room too. Why should he have to leave so another person can have sex.

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Lori

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I don't believe that there should be any jail time; unfortunately Tyler Clementi committed suicide for his own reasons, and the 2 events were inextricably tied together in everyone's minds.

Ravi should have gotten 3 years probation, $100,000 in fines that he would have to earn himself, and 1000 hours in community service.

Remember, Clementi had just come out to his own parents a few days before arriving at Rutgers, and he wrote to a friend that his mother had "basically completely rejected" him. Could that possibly have been devastating to him? Mrs.Clementi had 2 sons and both were gay, so yes, pretty tough to accept.

Clementi was also an 18-year old adult having a sexual encouter with a 30-year-old stranger he picked up online. Is it possible that M.B. broke up with Clementi due to the video streaming? And that was devastating to him?

Regardless, there was a suicide note that was not publicized. If it tied Clementi's death to the video, be assured that it would have made a splash in court. More than likely the note was harmful to others, like the parents or M.B. which is why it was classified.

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J

5:42 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

A very thoughful piece. Well-stated.

Lori

11:05 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

By the way,

"Do you agree with the Ravi sentence" is a very poorly worded question. It cannot be answered as a yes/no.

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Monk

3:13 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Sort of like the question: Sir, have you stopped beating your wife?

gina

12:35 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

This was a premeditated, thought-out action that Ravi needs to be responsible for. It was mean, cruel, and yes, he broke the law! How do you rehabilitate someone so mean-spirited and arragant. I think the tactics used for taming wild animals might be helpful... and better suited.

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Ireadpatch

4:45 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

gina, if I was Ravi's lawyer I would have brought up to the stand everybody that surrounded TC and would have asked when did they know that their boy was gay and what kind of support they provided. Ravi is represents society and we are all as guilty as he was. We are outraged and put Ravi in jail just so that we can aim our feelings toward him and wash our hands of any guilt. If you ever want to know what it feels like to be part of a lynching mob, this is it folks! This is a typical lynching mob.

JERSEY GIRL

12:35 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I feel so bad for the Clementi family, And Yes, Ravi was here on a Visa, he is not a citizen, and could be deported. I think the issue is that Ravi never showed remorse for his actions. He appears to be another kid who wont take responsibility. Even if Tyler was fragile, this incident sent him over the edge and I think something other than 30 days in jail, which will probably end up being about 3 days due to overcrowding, would have sent a message. I dont agree with bullying and this was immature bullying, maybe deport him and spare the jail time, regardless this kid doesnt get it, but his name is out there and he will be always associated with this hate crime.

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Frank

12:13 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Jersey Girl...you hit the point exactly. Ravi showed absolutely NO sense of responsiblity for having committed such an offense to another nor did he show any remorse. And then listening to his mother's statement made me sick! She spoke not of the victim but seemed to try and make a victim out of her own irresponsible, unthinking, insensitive, jerk of a son. We talk about the pervading sense of "entitlement" in this country...here is an example of parents who raised an immature son who's sense of entitlement plays out in a way where he wants nothing to do with acknowledging his part in this tragedy. Deport him...we have enough bullies (and stupidity) in this country already!

Nose Wayne

4:45 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Showed no remorse,DEPORT!!!

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Jenna

4:45 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Tragic on so many levels. I do not believe it's fair to say that Ravi didn't show remorse. He doesn't seem to be a demonstrative person. Even when his mother was speaking on his behalf, he appeared incredibly stoic and stiff.

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AndrewS

5:54 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Jenna,
We have been so conditioned to see remorse the way it's pictured in Hollywood that anything that does not resemble a good remorseful act does not seem like remorse to us. The way we express remorse has a lot to do with our culture. In some parts of northern Europe people smile very rarely. Does that mean they are sad or mad? Of course not, it's just that a quick smile is not part of their culture. In other cultures, men do not cry or show sorrow even though they feel it. So they hire professional women to attend funerals and do the crying. If Ravi does not show obvious remorse don't crucify him over it. This situation is tragic as you say and believe me, it's not over for this young man. He has been branded for life. He will always have to explain to future relations, employers, etc. how his bad joke turned into a tragedy and he ended up in jail over it. He will always be watching his back for people out for vengeance or revenge. This young man will alway have this hanging over his head and in this sense, it's a life sentence.

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Jenna

12:13 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

AndrewS,
I agree completely. The boy looked like a dear caught in headlights. I feel for the Clementes. But I also feel for Ravi's family. I do not believe that boy jumped solely because of the video, but I multitude of factors. To blame this one isolated incident is to deny all other factors in his life. The criminal case excluded evidence about Tyler's life because the victim cannot be on trial, however, I think if the Clementes file a civil suit, much of this will be revealed.

Dave Phillips

4:45 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

He did not make the other kid jump off the bridge.
Fair sentencing, if anything maybe should have gotten 60 days.

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Alex Ostrow

5:54 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The entire situation is unfortunate. However, It was not Ravi who took Tyler's life. Ravi should be penalized for invading Tyler's privacy and then streaming it to the public. The fact that Tyler committed suicide can not be blamed on Ravi. Tyler either suffered from depression, something we may never find out about. It is also possible that he was severely embarrassed by what had taken place between him and his 30 year old lover. I believe that the prosecution grid to make a scape goat out of Ravi. The judge did the correct thing. Believe me, if Tyler had not taken his own life, this entire experience would have gone unreported.

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Ron Warner

12:13 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I think our liberal government has made you all soft. The kid committed a crime he was punished. Did he pull the trigger? No. He was convicted and sentenced according to his crime. Simple. There are far worse atrocities happening in our country that receive no attention. People should grow a backbone and stop being misguided by media. Media is all about ratings.

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Milly Bays

9:06 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Jenna, The boy looked like a dear caught in headlights, should read: The boy looked like a DEER caught in the headlights.

Billy Mays is a close, dear friend of mine, but not deer friend. He is not a hunter but does enjoy a steak sandwich once in a while.

Your friend,

Milly Bay

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BobStein

4:51 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Back off Jenna dude. Just kidding. Jenna watch syour spellcheck.

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William Mays

4:17 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

I don't know this sick person.

Jack B Goode

9:06 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

To blame Ravi for Tyler's suicide would be to ruin his life, His crime ,in the grand scheme of things is forgivable, Just because he didn't show remorse doesn't mean that he isn't sorry. He will have to live with this the rest of his life.Could anyone with a conscience not realize what he did to another human being. Forgiveness will make Ravi a better person than the mob mentality ever could.

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William Mays

4:17 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

I agree. I'm for gay marriage and all that, but obviously Ravi would not have been put through all of this if Tyler Clementi wasn't gay. That isn't equality, that is special treatment because of his sexual orientation.

shimon baum

4:17 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

What this guy Ravi did was obviously not a nice thing. And it is sad that a young man took his own life just as it is anytime someone takes their life. But Ravi was 18 and I know its hard for some people to realize but a lot of 18 year olds do stupid things. He did not cause Tyler's death and he is not responsible for it. I am not excusing his behavior but if we locked up every one who acted like a pardon my french a-hole we would be locking up millions. Tyler obviously had prior issues since you do not kill yourself when you are happy and everything is great.

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Luca D.

4:17 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

In the biggest waste of county funds this year, the prosecutor's office has appealed the decision. They're lucky they got a conviction on the biased count to begin with. I still don't get what privacy a kid has in a dorm room from his roommate.

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Billy Mays

1:07 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012

Special treatment because of his sexual orientation is the biggest travesty of justice in this country. If he was straight this would not have ever happened. We just have too many laws protecting too many people for too many different things. It's confusing.

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