Township To Determine Recycling Department's Future
Changes may be coming to the way recycling gets picked up in Mahwah, and DPW workers are speaking out against the potential change; Find out what happens this week on Patch
This Thursday, the Mahwah Town Council is slated to consider potential changes to the township’s recycling department. Over the past few months, township administration has put out several bids for private recycling companies to pick up Mahwah’s recycling. It is currently picked up by the township’s Department of Public Works.
Last week, DPW workers released a flier urging residents to attend Thursday night’s meeting to find out the details of the new plan. According to the flier, some DPW workers may face layoffs if the new plan is passed by the township council.
“No matter how many people would be laid off, it would be too many,” Mahwah resident and DPW spokesperson Marc Bracciodieta said. “The town would be laying off people who grew up in town, who live in town, and who volunteer for the town.”
Of the 25 DPW workers employed by the township, Bracciodieta said seven work in the Recycling Department. However, he said those employees are also utilized in other aspects of DPW work, like snow plowing and leaf collection, when needed.
Mayor Bill Laforet said he will present the plan to the town council Thursday night before commenting on any specific details about it. “That is the normal procedure, we always present to the council first.”
He also said he “absolutely encourages any interested members of the public to attend Thursday night’s meeting,” which starts at 8 p.m. at town hall.
Bracciodieta said he does not know the specifics of the new plan, but “with a decision as big as [the possible] privatization of recycling, we feel the public should know what’s happening.”
Last week, the DPW Union released a flier attacking the potential impacts of Laforet’s plan, and township policies regarding the Mahwah Police Department. “At the time, the entire membership voted for that flier, but in hindsight we realized it wasn’t what we wanted to do,” Bracciodieta said. “We are extremely sorry to any police personnel offended by the original flier.”
The union released a new flier (which is attached to this article as a PDF) Sunday.
DPW workers are planning to address the council about the issue Thursday night, Bracciodieta, who has worked for the department for 5 years, said. “We hope residents come out to find out what the real story is on the future of recycling is.”
Check Patch Friday morning for the results of Thursday night’s Council meeting.
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BergenSuzy
6:28 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Are you kidding me ? Mr. Mayor, you have lied.
SaveMahwahDPW
8:20 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Ms. Mazzola, you "poll" is not correct. This in fact does affect everyone in town. The mayors plan will impact snow removal tremendously. Grass bags will NO LONGER BE PICKED UP...LEAF COLLECTION WILL STOP. SERVICES will change. And at what cost. 2.00 per avg homeowner. Is this worth it?? The municipal portion of your taxes is small...most is made up by the school portion. And why the rush ???
Andy Schmidt
2:41 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Where do you see any rush?
"Over the PAST FEW MONTHS, township administration has put out several bids for private recycling companies to pick up Mahwah’s recycling."
John Conklin
8:32 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
No way ! Do not let this happen ! these guys are just hard working locals and do a great job!
ref
8:34 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hey Jessica,who worded your poll questions,seems to me they are a little one sided and not all information is on it,what about all the other side effects of this silly privatization issue
ethel mermon
9:18 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
As a tax paying resident of Mahwah, I do not like when I see the DPW have 3 employees watering flowers at the park and when they came around to repair pot holls they did a horriable job, not even fixing most...I work hard for my money and some of them clearly are not.
Frianne
11:23 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Ethel, I disagree with you,If the DPW employees at least try to fix the pot holes that is fine with me.They do the best that they can to try and fix the potholes, some of them are not perfect but they are better. I know most of the guys on the DPW and all of them work very hard for there money.
Jimmy O
8:00 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Come on. These guys work hard. It's the material they are given not their workmanship!
Concerned Parent/Taxpayer
11:20 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
It's amazing that residents will accept subpar quality. I work hard too but if I don't perform at my job or the quality of my work isn't up to par, I won't have a job too much longer. What kind of world are we living in these days? This is the "Everyone gets a trophy" mentality.
Armando Zacarias
7:45 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
and then what do you want,this "mayor " wants to private or get rid of recycling,and ambulance in mahwah he want to hire private ambulance and private the recycling DPW this is wrong on any way u look up it,if anyone have questions about how private ambulance and recycling works ask.this is acceptable on any way mr. laforet is whrong all the way,we all have to go Mahwah council meeting when and what tiime.
Andy Schmidt
11:23 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Armando,
"get rid of ... ambulance in mahwah he want to hire private ambulance"
Why not stick to the truth?
HERE is what was ACTUALLY proposed back in March:
"Business Administrator Brian Campion explained that the township is “looking into multiple proposals and models, but all of them anticipate that both volunteer squads will remain in existence.” According to Campion, the administration is considering a system in which a dispatcher’s first two calls during an emergency situation would go to Mahwah’s volunteer squad. If they didn’t answer or couldn’t respond, the third call would go to a third party, private service."
ONLY IF the volunteers didn't answer or couldn't respond to a particular call THEN THAT one call would go to a paid service!
Mark
9:32 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Those that voted "I don't care who picks up my recycling" will be the first to complain when their stuff doesn't get picked up. The DPW guys will have to come out and pick it up. Those same individuals will complain when their bin is missing or their leaves and snow haven't been taken care of. Will this really be worth it in the long run?
Concerned Parent/Taxpayer
7:26 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
That's funny, I recently had an issue were the DPW refused to take my cardboard so I have to at ke care of I myself. It sat tha for weeks while itried to figure ou why I was not being picked up. If he DPW really cared abou this town, they would pick up any ugly cardboard laying on our streets.
Lets also not forget how long I took to pick up the branches from the October storm. I think a private ompany would have been a little more efficient
Mark
5:05 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Concerned parent/taxpayer,
Please don't let one isolated incident spoil the great reputation of the DPW. Did you call and ask why they didn't pick it up? There may be some town policies that regulate the pickup. They do try to make exceptions but they also have to be careful not to play favorites and to follow the rules they are given. Follow up. you may be surprised how helpful they can be.
Concerned Parent/Taxpayer
5:27 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
You know how I would have handled it, due to my love for this town, I wouldn't want ugly cardboard sitting on the side of any road in my town. If I were a DPW worker, I would have picked up the cardboard and gave the homeowner a copy of the all important recycling regulations. That would have been wonderful customer service, since all in all, we are customers of all the departments in town.
Roger Pachiderm
10:12 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
In an attempt to sell my house several years back - I had a nice professional couple with two young children come want to make a offer. Then they found out that Mahwah has only a part day kindergarten. They decided this town would not meet their needs. They actually started looking at towns with higher taxes because it was a better value. My house eventually sold for $25k less than asking. It is not about cutting taxes when it comes time to realize the value of your property. It is about the services that are provided in the area. If the roads are plowed and trash/ recycling picked up without issue then let it be that is a huge positive. Schools are the real tax burden and the budget seems large enough that sources should be reallocated to provide premium educational services. Maybe it is time to develop the area around the Crossroads to help with the tax burden. If we need to penny pinch over a couple of dollars in taxes to have good services then we need to maximize our tax base.
Concerned Parent/Taxpayer
7:30 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Roger
Finally someone calls out th schools. It's about time. Why snt there full time Kindergarten?
Jimmy John
10:14 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Ronda H. Aka Bill Laforet
Frianne
11:28 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
NO WAY!
T-Bird 148
10:20 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Seriously? All 7 of the DPW employees are NOT volunteer firefighters/drivers for EMS! FACT: 6 of them are volunteers; FACT: before these 6 workers were hired by DPW they were active volunteers while they were employed in other jobs. I hardly think laying off these six men (which I am NOT in support of) is going to have a domino effect which will result in a paid fire dept. FACT: one of the 7 shouldn't even be an employee of the town after a recent incident!
A. Iacovo
10:30 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Seriously leave our DPW alone. You are ruining this town. Our DPW is one of the best around. You start laying their guys off there quality of work won't be as loyal and committed as it is now. You start taking brush removal away, residents are going to start really noticing how your trying to run this town. Leave the DPW alone they are all our friends. First it was the ambulance corp. Which made zero sense and now the DPW. Focus on maintaining the Good quality of life in this town the way it is.
JP
10:42 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Do not let the town officials bully these people. Seems the mayor and ultimately the council are just pushing costs away from the town coffers directly onto the citizens in order to look good with a low tax increase and savings on benefits that would go to the workers. I'd rather pay more in taxes, keep these services, and have the workers keep their jobs. The town officials come out great while the laid off workers suffer.
JP
10:50 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
I told you at the start that when Mayor Bill called a panel of "Blue Ribbon" citizens together (ie: elite business people, probably conservatives), that this would not be a good thing for this town. They did NOT have the interest of the "working man" in town in mind.
Ira
11:44 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Poll results suggest silent majority.
ref
2:33 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Ronda go to your room,see if Dan is there
ref
3:39 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Dan, Dan, Dan I mean Ronda,Ronda, Ronda you haven't changed a bit,it didn't help you last time did it,this is a very serious situation your Mayor is trying to pull on us and he should be ashamed using the tactic's he is using.
NDW
7:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Ronda H hiding under a rock. But her brother Randy H is covering for her. Same bad grammar and spelling and amazingly thoughtless postings. Give it up Dan.
SaveMahwahDPW
4:17 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
This is not about " who picks up your recycling". This is about the level of services we will lose as town residents. The mayor wants to take away grass bag pick up as well. It is a fact. Come to the meeting and ask him for yourself. Once grass bags are removed, then whats next ??? Mahwah Day ?? Parades ?? The Dpw works all of these events. Getting rid of manpower, from an already skeleton crew, is absurd. Through attrition, the dpw is down 7 men already. There is a reason why it takes longer than before to pick up leaves, or why the residents have noticed pot holes not being repaired.....the man power is low. This is not about keeping union jobs....If the town needed to save money, then ACROSS THE BOARD is how it should be done.....LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM... The dpw workers have done more with less...(LOOK AT THE TRUCK IN THE PICTURE FOR EXAMPLE) The facts are that SERVICES WILL SUFFER.....The daytime fire staff WILL SUFFER.....these are facts.....IS IT WORTH 2.00 ??? If you were to get a check back then fine....BUT THE SCHOOLS WILL ONLY RAISE THEIR PORTION NEXT YEAR....your taxes are going up due to the schools.....MUNICIPAL IS A SMALL PORTION....
Jimmy John
4:29 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
2 dollars!
Andy Schmidt
4:42 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
@SaveMahwahDPW: "And at what cost. 2.00 per avg homeowner. Is this worth it?? The municipal portion of your taxes is small".
What dollar amount in savings would you consider significant enough that would justify the township in reviewing its options?
$200,000?
$500,000?
$700,000?
At what point to you feel that the Mayor would be negligent in the job he was elected to, if he ignore a certain dollar savings?
Mark
10:00 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Andy,
You ask a valid question. One that each citizen must ponder. But we also have to consider balance. Quality V. Savings (as you state below). And we have to look at where else money can be saved. Why do towns always look to reduce the number of fairly low paid workers yet continue to spend as if the well was bottomless in other areas.
Jimmy John
5:05 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
The mayor is on a personal agenda so it does not matter about dollar savings
Andy Schmidt
5:39 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I see - another one evading the question <G>.
So, what then if his "personal agenda" is to fulfill his duty as mayor to juggle limited funds, residents demanding low (or even lower) taxes, state-imposed budget caps,...?
Look, I've always said that I gladly accept higher property taxes to pay for excellent services and have Mahwah looked at as a desirable town for home-buyers (which reflects in my real-estate values). But - very many others like to waste that same money on ring-tones, iTunes downloads, move tickets, Starbucks visits,... instead. Like it or not, the township has to deal with those realities.
JP
8:22 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
And I was fooled into believing he was not Republican. I should have known better.
JP
8:30 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Andy, with over 5 million in surplus sitting in the town's account this is definitely less about limited funding and more about political brownie points. I can understand keeping taxes down, but how about we then don't talk about putting up a huge ornamental clock at the train station for who knows how many thousands of dollars, quarter million dollar staircases at the library, expensive changes to town square that really didn't change it functionally or architecturally that much, and we let people keep their jobs instead?
Andy Schmidt
12:03 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Gosh, JP, where's your mind at?
The library construction is NOT controlled by the township OR the current mayor (as it was done two mayors ago). That's the library board - and you need to bark up the correct tree: the state, who requires the township to pay a GIVEN amount to the library board for them to spend, even if the township disagress with how the money is used!
One reason for the surplus is that the township needs to pay its bills every month, even if the property tax payment have not yet come in. Secondly, when you make a budget, you can't be certain what amount of property taxes may not be paid, or may be challenged - so you need to set aside cash to cover for that. Finally, a township (like any responsible individual) will have to keep an amount set aside in case there should be a major unforeseen event that simply can't be planned for budgeted for.
The rating agencies who assigned Mahwah their HIGH credit rating, are looking at how responsible the township maintains its surplus - which allows the township to refinance at BETTER rates - thus saving real interest dollars.
(You are arguing like a family member who sees the statement in their family's savings, 401K, IRA, or HSA account - and decides to waste that money in a spending spree.)
JP
8:31 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
So let me ask this Andy, you willing to personally hand out the pink slips to those DPW workers who are going to get nuked if the mayor has his way? We HAVE the tax money to keep these people. We're not Scranton, PA. This is all about bragging about how low an increase in taxes the mayor has during his term.
BTW, can Patch please find out the answer to my question? How much is recycling generating in revenue and where does it go if we switch to a private company?
Andy Schmidt
8:29 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Part of my job of runnnig a company has been handing out pink slips personally. We try to take care of our staff, but there would be no jobs for anyone, if I wouldn't consider economics.
>> We HAVE the tax money to keep these people <<
No we HAD(!) the money THIS year. But we have to plan ahead for the coming year and subsequent years when various costs will rise MORE than 2%, but taxes increases are LIMITED to 2%. So you are constantly looking at the various functions and services and try find more cost-effective ways -- that precisely is the job of the person at the top!
Specially when upcoming retirements and open positions would require NEW hiring in the next 12 months. That is the right time to give the council options on whether things can be organized differently.
JP
5:29 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Andy, I'm not sure you are getting the concept of this being done for political reason. You say you saw the mayor's email today, did you not see the pomp about being under the 2%? That's his whole big thing about this. He equates (what he thinks) his whole success is on keeping the taxes under 2% increase. You yourself, in another thread, justified to me the 26% tax increase a few years ago didn't you? Which side are you really on? The contrary side of whatever the issue is?
Andy Schmidt
6:01 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I'll gladly refresh your memory from time to time, JP: I personally will rather forego splurging on some unnecessary items and pay my share of higher municpal/school taxes - because I see it as an investment into my town, which will help maintain property values.
But, the state wants to micro-manage the townships and thus prevents residents from making such a choice. They imposed the 2% cap that all administrations of all townships have to limit themselves to, by making cuts to accomodate external costs that rise faster than those 2%.
You need to stop constantly barking up the wrong trees. If you are talking about the library, it's the state and the library board, if you are talking about schools, it's the school board, if you are talking about having to make changes to stay within the arbitrary 2%, then it's the state.
Pick your tree! The township has no choice but to follow the law.
JP
5:42 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Question... how much is Mahwah getting for the actual recycled material every month when it is sold? Are we going to lose that revenue to the private company (since it would then be theirs) and pay for their services at the same time. Would this be a net loss in money to Mahwah?? Or is the company going to share the recycling revenue with the town?
Hank
2:39 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Ronda H has left the building.
JP
3:41 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzcjlKCJDnU
JP
4:40 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Now I can't get this song out of my head. :(
NDW
6:02 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Great work outing that slimeball! lollolol! Incompetent language capabilities are like a finger print. Well done!
NDW
6:55 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Not only left the room, but took all of her, or should I say, his posts with him. Pathetic attempt to cover ones tracks. Every "Ronda H" post removed after Dan was outed. No boy scout is he.
lori dorie
3:49 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
People, All this talk means NOTHING unless you go to the council meeting tomorrow night and have your voice heard!!
JP
4:39 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Miss Crabtree, remember this, it was a good one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dmHXs2QfEw
mb455
10:03 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The recycling crews do not do sub par work they do extraordinary work. Lifting recycling barrels many of which likely exceed the lifting guidelines set up by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, but do they complain no. Do you really think a person from a private company making minimum wage is going to do that? I think not they will just leave it there for you to deal with. When one of our senior citizens can’t get there recycling to the curb will a private company come and get it from next to there garage even though the “rules” say they shouldn’t? Not likely. When someone comes down the road saying I just missed you can you come back and get my recycling do you really think they are going to come back and get it like our DPW workers do. Sometimes cheaper doesn’t mean better it just means cheaper in quality of products as well as in services.
JP
5:23 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Very well said MB.
Andy Schmidt
8:35 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
The mayor just announced this morning that as part of his proposal...
"...just ONE employee MAY lose their job, while others will assume duties in other departments in the Township."
So much for all the misinformation and hot air that was being spouted!
mb455
5:08 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Not true 3 WILL lose there jobs one MAY come back in January IF anyone retires.
You should get all the information before you say anything about hot air. If you still think what has been said is misinformation I suggest you go to the meeting tonight and ask the mayor himself
JP
5:21 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Even one is TOO many Andy. You want to hand that person their slip? Come on, do it for the mayor. Volunteer your services.
Andy Schmidt
5:22 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Uh, so first it was DEFINITELY 7, now it's DEFINITELY 3, but by January it's 2...
'nuf said.
JP
5:31 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Enough said? No, there's definitely not enough said yet.
Regenbogen
1:53 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I think the hot air being spouted comes from people in glass houses!!
Mike Kupchik
5:40 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Health reasons prevent me from attending tonight's meeting, but can any of the 6 speakers for the allotted 30-minute "public" window suggest that all unelected town positions go up for public bid too? DPW is the sole group I've respected for years.
Jonathan N. Marcus, Esq.
5:49 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
First it was seven. Now it is three or possibly one. Sounds like no one knows for sure what the actual plan is until the Council hears it publicly tonight.
JP
5:52 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Maybe we should look at it in this fashion... first it's one, then it's three, then it escalates to seven. Isn't that the typical conservative regression with public workers?
Jimmy John
10:39 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I was at the meeting tonight......the mayor made an official fool out of himself represented by the town business administrator. Never in my life have I heard so much back tracking and he never answered a single question asked by the council. He answered every question like someone who was uneducated on the matter and guess what.....he is. His numbers were completely wrong. Go DPW. Keep Mahwah people employed
Mahwah Resident
12:33 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
This sounds like the whole mall thing all over again. Different situation but handled in the same ugly way. Everything done behind closed doors and then shoving it down our throats. This is terrible.
hsr
9:31 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
JJ lets face it the "Mayor" is playing it cool till after election. Just like he will with
the EMS.
Grace
11:49 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Have the Counsel or Mayor reached out to meet with the Union members? You would think they would want to get their input before making any decision.
Andy Schmidt
12:55 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
This actually has been widely reported in the past weeks, e.g.:
>> municipal staff, including Township Administrator Brian Campion and Department of Public Works Superintendent Keith Hallisey, began looking at privatizing recycling collection in December. DPW union representatives were brought into the conversation about three months ago <<
>> Two others were told when they were hired this spring that their jobs could be eliminated because of the township’s interest in outsourcing recycling collection <<
http://www.northjersey.com/mahwah/Mahwah_council_to_hear_plans_on_outsourcing_recyclables_pickup.html
So the union, the employees effected and the DPW supervisor were made aware for quite some time, as was the council. Obvioulsy, other than knowing of the ongoing effort to come up with a proposal, the council can't discuss any proposal until you actually HAVE one (with actual dollar figures). Only THEN can the council can weigh all the pros and cons now and discuss this in earnest.