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Police: Teen Drinking Incidents In Mahwah Have Gone Up 150% In Past Year

Parents at MMA forum asked whether or not kids should drink before going to college

For about 200 Mahwah parents, an panel discussion on underage drinking and substance abuse Wednesday night provided pertinent statistics and advice about challenges parents in the community are facing. The event’s moderator, Mahwah resident and News 12 Host Jim McQueeny, and residents in the audience asked questions of a substance abuse clinic worker, counselor and parent educator, emergency room physician, attorney at law, Principal John Pascale and Chief James Batelli and Captain Stephen Jaffe.

Parents in the crowd had different reactions to some of the facts set forth by the panel. “One of the reasons that we wanted to hold this event is because we’ve seen juvenile complaints of alcohol or substance abuse increase 150 percent in the past year,” Batelli said. According to Jaffe, those “complaints” include incidents like house parties, and arrests of adults or older kids who purchase alcohol for minors.

“I was blown away by that statistic,” Maureen Kayal, an audience member with a 12-year-old son, said. “I came here because I want to be prepared for when I have to deal with alcohol issues with my son, and I was just blown away by 150 percent.”

For parents of teens in the audience, the reaction was a bit different. “I wasn’t surprised to hear that drinking has gone up,” Mike Devaney said. “It’s rampant, you can see it.”

Fellow Mahwah parent Mary Spencer added “kids will tell you what’s going on with their friends, they don’t hide it from you. As a parent, you just need to know when to say, ‘no, you can’t go to that party.’”

Jaffe said last year, the Mahwah Police broke up 20-30 house parties where underage kids were drinking or abusing drugs. “Those are the ones we were called to or alerted to for some reason,” he said. “We know there are a lot more.”

The purpose of the meeting, Mahwah Municipal Alliance organizers said, was to educate parents about how to interact with their kids, and how to interact with one another, when it comes to underage drinking.

“The most important thing to do is to have an open dialogue with your kids,” Lisa Paterson, a parent educator from Ridgewood, said. “You need to let them know that drinking is not okay, but if they make a mistake or something happens with one of their friends, they can call you.”

The panel promoted a “no tolerance” drinking policy for everyone under 21.  However, some parents in the audience questioned the approach.

“I am not comfortable sending my kids to college never having had a drink before, not knowing how it will affect them. Isn’t banning alcohol during high school encouraging binge drinking in college?” one audience member asked of the panel.

Their short answer was “no.” Jaffe explained that “every time I respond to a situation where a student at Ramapo College has been binge drinking and is unconscious, afterward we talk to the student. I have never once had one say that this was his or her first experience drinking. They all say they drank in high school.”

According to panelist Dr. Peter Lee, a pediatric emergency room physician at Valley Hospital, teens physically and mentally can’t make “responsible” decisions about alcohol consumption, because the ability to do that develops later. “Choosing 21 wasn’t an arbitrary number,” he said.

Lee reiterated the law enforcement feeling that this is a growing issue in the area. Based on his experience working in NYC hospitals, Lee said binge drinking “is actually more prevalent here in the suburbs. Every weekend, I see a minimum of half a dozen kids who have been binge drinking.”

Attorney Tom Hanrahan said that parents who host parties at their homes where teens are drinking can be held legally responsible for what happens at the party. Jaffe said many times “we respond to a house party, and the parents are the one who open the door.” The panel urged the crowd not to allow underage drinking in their homes, and to have an open dialogue with other parents.

“It may be awkward to do, but you have to talk to other parents,” Paterson said.

Parents in the audience said that might be the hardest part of dealing with the issue. “That’s the hard part, it’s not dealing with your kids, it’s dealing with other parents,” Devaney said. “You’ve got other parents who allow drinking, and then we look like the bad guys.”

“We’ve had instances where parents in the house are condoning drinking by 15-year-olds,” Batelli said. “It’s disturbing.” Hanrahan added that parents who “think they are being responsible” by having kids drink in the house but “collecting their keys and things like that” aren’t removing any liability from themselves.

“We ask ourselves, is it a child problem, or a parent problem,” Hanrahan said.

The panel recommended, in addition to talking with kids about drinking, leading by example. “There is nothing worse than being a hypocritical parent,” Hanrahan said. “They see you drinking, why shouldn’t they?”

Pascale emphasized that kids should know they are supported, at home, at school and in the community. “We have a very proactive police department, and the school district has a great working relationship with them,” he said. “Every week, I meet with the juvenile officer, and he tells me about all of the parties, arrests and incidents that week in the township. The reasoning behind the meetings is two-fold, he said. “They are so I can keep an eye on the 1,058 students in the building, but also so we can provide children with the support they need.”

He said, based on his experiences in schools, and with his own children, “kids don’t want us to fix, they want us to listen to them. They have to know there are a lot of people who care about and support them.”

The panel encouraged parents to let their kids know that talking about mistakes they make is a good thing to do. “We don’t want to punish them,” Pascale said. “We want to support them.”

On the law enforcement side, police said an intoxicated teen who reports the intoxication of another teen, will not be arrested. “In New Jersey, we have the 911 immunity law, where juveniles are immune from criminal charges if they report others who are intoxicated.” Batelli said. “They could potentially save a life.”

Moving forward, police recommended parents call the Mahwah PD with questions, and open the lines of communication between themselves, kids, other parents, and other members of the community. More information and tips from the forum will be posted on the MMA’s website.

Mike Kupchik February 10, 2012 at 01:46 AM
I'm puzzled, as most of the time, Mahwah PD posts "no activity" in the shopper's papers. Has our Police Chief been holding info back on us?
Charlie February 10, 2012 at 03:58 AM
Has the whole world gone mad, parents having parties and allowing kids to drink in their home. Boy, things have changed since I was in school, in my day when there was a house party, the parents were no where to be found they were gone for the weekend, had no idea their was even a party going on in their home. Parents today seem like they would rather be their kids friends then parents, I get a kick out of a meeting about kids drinking, we all drank when we were kids, their was no meeting for the parents, we just did not get cought, and if we got cought we had our head handed to us by our parents.I think the real problem is parents don't know how to be parents, so how can they teach their kids anything, have to go to a meeting about kids drinking,give me a break.
Hank February 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM
That's right charlie. If you are going to drink, go in the woods or over to the graveyard like we did. My generation drinking and bars were normal for seniors in HS. Just go over to NY line and meet all your friends. When I went to Ramapo college, they had a bar downstairs in the student union. Now you can get thrown out for drinking. Different world.
Andy Schmidt February 10, 2012 at 04:53 PM
You can bet that every day and every night there are citations - traffic and otherwise, there are calls to residences, conflicts managed, etc. Obviously any police department will need to apply judgement about what cases/calls are beneficial/educational to the general public, represent a "major" incident, etc. The reason, why the Chief and the MMA organized this meeting was precisely because of the increase in teen alcohol incidents. So he's certainly NOT holding back - but went VERY public about it. But, not in a sensational way, but (in his usual constructive manner) by pulling in the adults who need to do THEIR job of better monitoring their teens and their premises, and motivating parents into action by hearing about consequences in school, the lack of liability insurance coverage (!), the horror of the emergency room pediatric chief, one of several Bergen County addication centers that treats local kids all the time,...
ref February 10, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Was this increase of 150% due to Mahwah teens or did it include all the calls to Ramapo college for drunk students?
Charlie February 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM
Hank, I agree with you 100%. When I was growing up in Upper Saddle River my parents belonged to some kind of wine club and is still funny to me because neither of my parents drank. Anyway my father used to keep all different liquors downstairs, he had so much he did not have a clue what he had. When I was around 12 or 13, we used to grab bottles and like you said go into the woods and drink ourselves sick. To this day my mother and father have no idea we were doing it, when they moved out of Upper Saddle River I can’t even tell you how much of the liquor was just thrown out due to having no place to bring it. Hank like you said, I grew up on the boarder of NY State and Bergen County, I myself was always grand fathered in to the drinking age, when I was 18, the drinking age was changed to 19, when I was 19 the drinking age was changed to 21, so I was legally drinking since I was 18. My friends and myself went to NY State because the bars were open later then the bars in Jersey. My point being, we all played around with liquor, it is no big secret, I just get a kick out of parents being shocked about it. Now I don’t really drink at all now, but the funny thing is, the reason I stopped drinking and driving is because when they started cracking down on drinking and driving and if caught would loose your license
Charlie February 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM
But the thing is parents really should not encourage their kids to drink at home, I mean come on, I can’t even imagine my mother saying, hey why don’t you call all your friends up and go into the basement and bring up some liquor and drink here tonight. I don’t think I really would of wanted to drink in front of my parents like that anyway, the thrill was drinking and not getting caught. Well to all the parents letting their kids drink in their home, and all the parents about being shocked about their kids drinking in the first place, better make sure to explain to their boys about condoms and explain to their daughters about keeping their legs closed, or they may have more to worry about then having their kids getting drunk. At 15 my father handed me a box of condoms and said, I have no idea what you know or don’t know about sex, but that doesn’t matter, what does matter is you wear these when you have sex; the LAST thing you need is a baby at your age. That worked for me, I never got a girl pregnant and it was due to how my father put it, no candy coating, just facts. This is what I mean about being a parent and not a friend, my father wasn’t trying to talk to me about what I did about sex, he just painted a picture in my mind and laid it on the line what the outcome could be if you don’t be careful and protect yourself.
Jessica Mazzola (Editor) February 10, 2012 at 09:50 PM
ref - My understanding is that the 150% increase does not include Ramapo College calls.
Andy Schmidt February 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Yes, there were parents debating whether they should "acclimate" their kids to alcohol before college - but the studies have shown over again (and Mahwah Police Department confirmed that with their own definite experience with Rampo College students) that alcohol consumption before college does NOT reduce binge drinking IN college (actually the opposite appears to be true). Besides, if you tell a kid "okay, 21 is the law, and it's illegal for me to let you drink, but, just because I'm the parent, it's okay if we break the law" and THEN you are surprised if kids on their OWN decide that they are JUST as entitled to make that SAME judgement call to ignore the law when they are unsupervised. Parents who are unwilling to follow the law themselves (with regards to zero teen-alcohol tolerance) honestly believe their kids WILL do better then they and follow the law (or the parents' rules) when left alone? That's wishful thinking to the extreme.
Mike Kupchik February 11, 2012 at 12:11 AM
Andy, meant my comment to be tongue-in-cheek. I well-know what the PD blotter-posting problem is, and it's not Jim's fault, and slowly came to realize he's a class act, as well as the bulk of his crew.
Kevin February 11, 2012 at 03:31 PM
Just remember if your a parent letting friends of your children drink without the other parents knowing you risk being charged criminally, as you should be.Even if they do know you still can be. When my children are older and a parent thinks this is a good idea to give my children alcohol they will face the most severe actions I could take legally. And if they need a lesson on being a parent we can have a nice one one talk about the finer points of parenting.
Kevin February 11, 2012 at 03:37 PM
My thoughts on no activity being reported in local papers has to do with the mall and the perception that service calls will not go up that much once its built. It will have an opposite effect though people will be outraged when they start seeing printings of incidents and the thought that a lot of time is being spent there instead of on our town streets. Becareful what you wish for you just may get it. Out of sight is out of mind.

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