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Images: What Crossroads Might Look Like

Developer talked about the possible architectural look of the 600,000 square foot shopping center at a hearing Monday.

Rendering of what a big box store at Crossroads might look like. Image from developer's presentation to the Planning Board Monday night.
Rendering of what a big box store at Crossroads might look like. Image from developer's presentation to the Planning Board Monday night.

Representatives of the Crossroads Developer maintain that it is difficult to say what exactly its proposed 600,000 square foot shopping development would look like because they have not yet secured any specific tenants. However, at a Planning Board hearing Monday night, the developer presented a slideshow of architect renderings and photos of existing shopping centers that reflect the aesthetic that he hopes to replicate at Crossroads.

Developer Tony DiGiovanni told the Planning Board Monday to look at ‘The Promenade Shops at Saucon Valley’ in Pennsylvania to see the inspiration behind what he hopes the pedestrian-friendly side of Crossroads will look like.

That shopping center, he said, contains buildings of various heights and with different facades. Locals can expect finishes of stucco, brick, and stone on the buildings, stylized brick or concrete on the ground, wide sidewalks, walking areas with benches, fire pits, lampposts, and a fountain.

“The design came about emulating Saucon Valley,” DiGiovanni said Monday.

For the other side of the development, which is made up of two big box stores, DiGiovanni said Crossroads plans to mimic designs its used at some of its other developments across the state that “mask” the size and big box nature of the stores. He showed the board examples of Lowes and Walmart locations at the company’s developments in West Windsor and Raritan Town Center as examples. 

By implementing the specifics in the ordinance that allows for the development, Crossroads officials said the Planning Board would be able to hold whomever the tenants are at the big box stores to certain design standards.

Some board members and members of the public expressed dissatisfaction with the presented designs.

“To me, it lacks depth and imagination,” Planning Board member and Councilman Chuck Jandris said.

“The charm is not there. I’m disappointed again.”

DiGiovanni responded that the presented renderings are just basic models that “will only get better” once tenants are in place.

Gottardo DiGiacopo December 08, 2013 at 09:38 PM
i think we've exhausted this KM but you sound like a bright conscientious person (i don't know why i decided you were a woman early on but may have been wrong, even pen-names can help with that). Who knows, maybe we'll meet one day. This mall has burned a lot of us out. you seem to have come in late. 1684 came and stayed many many moons ago. there was a recent ruling against our petition towards conflicted interests involved in those ordinance changes. we have filed an appeal and it is yet to be heard. i look at the appeal as 8 or nine black chips in a hat with one or two white ones. we felt it worth our money to buy those white chips and we're praying for that hand reaching in :O) most people stayed away. some helped out. a few were in for the long haul. i just want to turn it over to the people who cried for it. Hell, i don't want a mall here... we live in a pile of malls.
Ynot December 08, 2013 at 10:21 PM
I am happy we figured out I am a male. I have been watching your struggle. I wonder if there may be a round-about way to pull a binding vote. That is a legal issue. It must have hurt to stick your neck out. It sounds like you need a break. Check out www.jsminset.com it is the website of Jim Sinclair. He is the son of Bert Seligman who was the partner of Jesse Livermore. He is one of the most prolific gold trader's in the world, and the owner of (TRX) Tanzania Royalty Company. I mention it because of the transparency through his website and his willingness to speak with his personal investors. TRX is only about $1.80 right now, thinking long-term, even it still drops some more. Studying for my doctorate I can not take any risks right now. I do agree the township needs something nice that the locals will be able to enjoy.
Ynot December 08, 2013 at 11:07 PM
www.jsmineset.com (spelling)
JP December 09, 2013 at 08:42 AM
Glad to see you and I agree completely on this issue KM. I think once the final approvals for this mall are in the bag. The town administration should then work vigorously on what tenants get approved and which ones don't. BTW I went over to the Shops in Nanuet this past weekend and while the stores there are nice, it's much smaller then I anticipated. You can walk from one end of it to the other in less then a minute. At 750,000 sq ft, Mahwah's is 150,000 sq ft smaller, which should alleviate opponents fear of the mall being too big. If you want to see what I mean go over to Nanuet and check it out. It's basically the same thing with two big boxes, a multiplex and then smaller upscale stores and restaurants. We can do even better then that in terms of attraction factor in less space if done correctly.
Kevin December 09, 2013 at 01:27 PM
Forget it JP you really are lost on this. Wonder what you did before computers to post? Guess you sat alone with your thoughts. Our conversation would not be hidden, you would not be hiding behind two letters, you would see the face and tone and passion of someone speaking. The receiver would hear the statement for what it is not try and guess the attitude of the poster. This is a horrible way to cover these topics. Show up to meetings and speak to our elected members and go vote. Never give up your voice everyone stop typing and hit one of these meetings. Goodbye to everyone here as you drown in the letters you type. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Here is to 2014 and better days ahead. Lets hope JP is right about this mall because if he is not its really going to be bad. he will never admit he was wrong if it is bad. LOL!!!
Ynot December 09, 2013 at 04:36 PM
I was at Pacific Palisades Mall two days ago. The thing about the Nanuet Mall, Woodbury Commons, and the other malls is that they exist. This area is saturated. What this area needs is quality entertainment and quality attractions. When you think of restaurants in Mahwah I think of greasy chain restaurants and truck stop diners. The area needs entertainment for adults and children (that can be mixed with shopping). Theatres for plays and concerts, art galleries, quality restaurants (some with high-quality comedy shows and belly dancing), a minor league hockey team, movies, theme parks, and other forms of unique and fun attractions for people. Campgaw was a nice start as a ski area for children, but the area never developed entertainment beyond that. The Catskills next door used to be a major resort area. If the shopping already exists, but the area needs entertainment then Mahwah would be a logical central location for some quality. I personally got upset when Gov. Christie came to Mahwah which used to be on the Gateway to the Catskills, and tried to plug the Jersey Shore. I thought it was rude, he should have complimented the beautiful Ramapo Mountains and encouraged tourism in the Catskills to the north. Just an idea. I am certain they would get plenty of great creative ideas from residents.
Hank December 10, 2013 at 07:47 AM
KM if you want to see high quality belly dancing take a look at some of those truck drivers at the Pilot.
Ynot December 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Does Pilot have good prices Hank? Belly dancing is a high art form and part of religious tradition. King Herod liked belly dancing. There is small Turkish restaurant in Airmont that has belly dancers, more the local kind. Here is an example of restaurant in NYC that has belly dancing: http://www.casalafemmeny.com/ This dancer would fill route 17 going both directions. Good for gas prices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZV8jRf6l00
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 11, 2013 at 07:51 AM
Was cleaning e-mails and just had to share some average JP posts from the recent past when CSMM lost its court case: JP August 26, 2013 at 10:45 PM Mahwah resident is actually wrong. This is a new ASSET to Mahwah, and I predict the Mayor and council will be there on opening day to celebrate it with open arms. Furthermore, they can actually eliminate the ball field now and change their plans for approval since the judge ruled the retail ordinance is still valid. I say fill it up with another big box store like Lowes. Now... on to eliminating the Bergen County Blue Laws once and for all. JP August 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM Hank, Ramapo is the wrong venue for doing any studies on the mall. Don't forget their impotent attempt at influencing the people of Mahwah with their bias study last year on the "environmental impacts" (as I had posted long ago from a link to their student news). That group of students was as one-sided as Stop Mahwah Mall is. Can't trust them. I'd still like to know the inside link between the students and the Stop group and how their whole involvement came about and who suggested them. These things just don't drop out of the air for no reason. There was an agenda there. JP September 04, 2013 at 04:50 PM I'm interested in Patch doing a followup on the fact that the area has to revert back to retail based zoning following the judge's ruling that the last (divisive) change away from it was null and void. Seems the town is keeping silent on this fact so far. Is the council going to perform the proper procedure this time to try and change it once again or will it remain "as is"? Consultants have already told Mahwah they need more "big box" businesses and supermarkets in their master plan to support our population and to keep revenue "in town". Seems like this would be the perfect "excuse" to leave it alone (if you get my drift, Mayor and council). Patch, you ignored the mania... where's that follow up? :O)
JP December 11, 2013 at 08:07 AM
I'm honored I'm so popular with you GD. Love it! Thank you!
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 11, 2013 at 08:20 AM
and i thank you for the entertainment. espesh the paranoid bash on Ramapo students with your conspiracy theory :O)
JP December 11, 2013 at 05:21 PM
Yeah, it's a shame they were used like that.
Hank December 11, 2013 at 08:23 PM
Gottardo: If my kid told me he was going to major in "environmental studies" I would smack him in the head and tell him to go work for a landscaping co same difference. It is a very weak degree that leads to no job. Environmental Science is a real major.
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 11, 2013 at 08:34 PM
we all have to start somewhere Hank... and every kid finds his way eventually, some at 20, some 40, some 75 or even in the next life. is that a hypothetical "your kid" you'd be smacking?
Hank December 12, 2013 at 08:14 AM
well just pointing out you have to take that group's opinion with a grain of salt. They are not scientists...more like tree huggers. Every kid does find his way. But I am not co signing the loan if you can't pay it back. That's the "smack in the head".
joseph j guider December 13, 2013 at 09:08 AM
Xanadu off the NJ tnpk ? Think about it. Table the issue for another year or so , so that the genius's in design can refresh their ideas. If that land so desperately needs to be developed, why not something relative and complimentary to what is already there. How about a learning center annex for the college for sustainable living studies. I'm personally not against developement , but lets get it done with forsight not hindsight.
Hank December 13, 2013 at 10:02 AM
I thought about it. Xanandu is almost 5 million sq feet and is four miles from Times Sq. The only thing in common is Xanadu is the ugliest structure in Bergen and Sheraton is second.
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Hank, are u a scientist? or more like a tree cutter? and shouldn't i take your parenting advice with a grain of salt? or are your double-standards somehow justifiably unnavigable?
Hank December 15, 2013 at 08:12 AM
does not take a scientist to see STM was full of baloney from the start
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 15, 2013 at 07:43 PM
i thought for undergrad students' their findings were well researched, well written, and benign in an obvious way. You and JP on the other hand took their conclusions quite personally and so i have a different opinion of who was pathetic and subjective... doesn't take a scientist or a shrink
Hank December 16, 2013 at 05:27 AM
hmmm.. how does this happen. If a person is an environmental student...he must be believed If that same student becomes an expert in his field, years of experience and an environmental lawyer like Crossroads witness John Crespi....he's a liar!
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 16, 2013 at 06:52 AM
hmmm, still taking those benign papers personally Hank, that's sad... don't worry, you'll never be less than 15 minutes from a mall. enjoy the holidays!
Hank December 16, 2013 at 07:28 AM
It's not so much the mall. I never liked the bullying tactics early on or the misinformation that was portrayed as truth. Now I just like watching you guys lose.
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 16, 2013 at 07:48 AM
i understand now, you felt bullied. tho, i don't know if your secret Patch persona will help. i hope it can. feel better Hank.
Andy Schmidt December 16, 2013 at 08:37 AM
Hank, if you doubt the validity of a study, you can attack their methodology (such as how they obtained/collected their data, the sampling rate, etc.), or you can show how their conclusions are not supported by the data. However, whenever I see someone attacking the AUTHOR(s), then this is a pretty strong indication that the study ITSELF must be beyond reproach. (That's why I chuckle, whenever people attack ME for my opinion, because it confirms that my OPINION was valid - and I already know that my personality sucks <G>)
Hank December 16, 2013 at 10:31 AM
Exactly! So every time an expert for Crossroads testifies, he gets personally attacked by the STM as a shill for the developer and his testimony is not to be believed.
Ynot December 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM
The studies are biased toward the view of those conducting them. That is common sense. As for the study conducted by students at Ramapo, that great bastion of learning, why not ask the students at Mahwah high school or Betsy Ross. No way is a study conducted at that level thorough, accurate, or unbiased, and it should not be a consideration.
Andy Schmidt December 16, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Other than a blanket statement that a study "must" be biased against whichever party doesn't like the outcome, I take it there is actually nothing in the data or the methodology to support such an accusation. As far you attempting to ridicule that the work had been conducted at a college, under the guidance of a professor - I suppose you'd be surprised to find how much of the ground-breaking research in many fields is actually being conducted by "students" (under supervision of their professor, funded by various government or private grants). Many of the advances in daily life that you so happily rely on, started at colleges. Bummer! That fact that even the most vocal critics of a work can come up with nothing of substance at all (other than placing the AUTHORS at Betsy Ross school) confirms that the study ITSELF must be rock-solid.
Ynot December 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Very professional. Liked the Betsy Ross analogy. If we take on that a theme park, disney store, and playground may brighten the area up a little.
Gottardo DiGiacopo December 16, 2013 at 03:38 PM
if someone says "air is lovely" or "noise can be bothersome", can we really discuss those statements as having a "biased agenda" simply because such statements do not feel like the benign obvious to some persons hypersensitive to statements about noise and air?

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